The Poyet/Barnes love in...

[LamieRobertson]

We can all take that as a no then.......

masterful

 

[JBizzle]

To be honest, I don't think its a love in, I just think Gus is more defensive than he needs to be at the moment. My opinion of Barnes is that he is an easy target because he plays out of his natural position and is somewhat profligate at the moment. Despite what you say he does defend well and when Painter plays at LB, he does cover well. Even when Bridge plays, his commitment to his defensive work allows Bridge to maraud up and down the pitch whenever and however he wants to.

His finishing at the moment is not up to scratch, but neither is CMS. Sure, Barnes' form at the moment isn't the best but Crofts, Hammond, CMS, at the moment are actual passengers. They have added nothing at all. Even the game Hammond scored in, he was virtually anonymous up to and after that point.

Anyway, my point is:
yes, I still rate Barnes,
no, he's not in form,
yes, he needs a rest,
yes, Dobbie should be given a run, but
no, he's not the sole reason we lost to Palace or have been so inconsistent of late.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

To be honest, I don't think its a love in, I just think Gus is more defensive than he needs to be at the moment. My opinion of Barnes is that he is an easy target because he plays out of his natural position and is somewhat profligate at the moment. Despite what you say he does defend well and when Painter plays at LB, he does cover well. Even when Bridge plays, his commitment to his defensive work allows Bridge to maraud up and down the pitch whenever and however he wants to.

His finishing at the moment is not up to scratch, but neither is CMS. Sure, Barnes' form at the moment isn't the best but Crofts, Hammond, CMS, at the moment are actual passengers. They have added nothing at all. Even the game Hammond scored in, he was virtually anonymous up to and after that point.

Anyway, my point is:
yes, I still rate Barnes,
no, he's not in form,
yes, he needs a rest,
yes, Dobbie should be given a run, but
no, he's not the sole reason we lost to Palace or have been so inconsistent of late.

Spot on.

 

[somerset]

My opinion of Barnes is that he is an easy target because he plays out of his natural position and is somewhat profligate at the moment. .

Just how long do you think this lack of form should be allowed to continue..... these same conversations were happening last season too.... he popped in a few pens and rebounds yes, but how many did he actually craft for himself, ? Something that good attacking players actually do regularly.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Just how long do you think this lack of form should be allowed to continue..... these same conversations were happening last season too.... he popped in a few pens and rebounds yes, but how many did he actually craft for himself, ? Something that good attacking players actually do regularly.

Maybe if he played in his natural position he would do what you suggest...........tomorrows team selection is going to be an interesting one...with current injuries and 'form'

 

[Bozza]

Just how long do you think this lack of form should be allowed to continue..... these same conversations were happening last season too.... he popped in a few pens and rebounds yes, but how many did he actually craft for himself, ? Something that good attacking players actually do regularly.

You must hate CMS then.

 

[Acker79]

Really. Are you for real? The didn't give it away then.

Ah, the ol' "I was just joking, too" defence. Well played, sir.

 

[Acker79]

Well we are the twats who pay his effing wages....

Not really.

 

[somerset]

You must hate CMS then.

Nope, the key difference is that CMS when he does score in most cases they have because of his own endevour rather than fortunate rebounds. I love the way Barnes supporters can do nothing to actually bolster his case for inclusion other than attempt to discredit other players in the squad.

 

[somerset]

Not really.

What an incisive response.

 

[Bozza]

Nope, the key difference is that CMS when he does score in most cases they have because of his own endevour rather than fortunate rebounds. I love the way Barnes supporters can do nothing to actually bolster his case for inclusion other than attempt to discredit other players in the squad.

Who is a Barnes supporter? Not me, that's for sure.

I've always found those who have a 'player of hate' both curious and amusing.

 

[Acker79]

What an incisive response.

Well, we don't. I would struggle to write paragraphs and paragraphs basically all boiling down to 'we don't pay the players'/poyet's wages'

 

[somerset]

Who is a Barnes supporter? Not me, that's for sure.

I've always found those who have a 'player of hate' both curious and amusing.

I just simply have difficulty understanding why a player of limited ability and experience is given massively extended runs in the team when others are binned after one or two games ( Dobbie, Hoskins, Toby, Lopez for example)

 

[Acker79]

Nope, the key difference is that CMS when he does score in most cases they have because of his own endevour rather than fortunate rebounds. I love the way Barnes supporters can do nothing to actually bolster his case for inclusion other than attempt to discredit other players in the squad.

Such as the two deflected goals v barnsley, the penalties v watford and leeds, the goal put on a plate by bruno v sheffield wed? 5 goals that were pens or not really made by him. Out of 9 scored (and some of the other four might fall into those categories as I can't really remember them).

It's not about discrediting others to bolster Barne's case, it's about showing how the anti-barnes people have double standards - they criticise barnes for things while allowing others to do the exact same thing without criticising them, how they stand up for other players doing these things yet list them as reasons to dislike barnes.

 

[Acker79]

I just simply have difficulty understanding why a player of limited ability and experience is given massively extended runs in the team when others are binned after one or two games ( Dobbie, Hoskins, Toby, Lopez for example)

Because you are just looking at matches, whereas Poyet is looking at matches and training.

LuaLua must not waste chance From The Argus)

Poyet said: “There is not one player that has been fantastic in training and fantastic on Saturday afternoon who doesn’t play the next Saturday and if somebody thinks differently he is lying to himself, so it’s up to him [Lualua].

 

[somerset]

Such as the two deflected goals v barnsley, the penalties v watford and leeds, the goal put on a plate by bruno v sheffield wed? 5 goals that were pens or not really made by him. Out of 9 scored (and some of the other four might fall into those categories as I can't really remember them).

It's not about discrediting others to bolster Barne's case, it's about showing how the anti-barnes people have double standards - they criticise barnes for things while allowing others to do the exact same thing without criticising them, how they stand up for other players doing these things yet list them as reasons to dislike barnes.

There you go proving my point, .... lol,.. why not just list those things that Barnes does in your eyes that justify his continued inclusion..... that would be a better approach.

 

[Acker79]

There you go proving my point, .... lol

It's like you completely ignored the second paragraph.

It's not about discrediting others to bolster Barne's case, it's about showing how the anti-barnes people have double standards - they criticise barnes for things while allowing others to do the exact same thing without criticising them, how they stand up for other players doing these things yet list them as reasons to dislike barnes.

 

[JBizzle]

Nope, the key difference is that CMS when he does score in most cases they have because of his own endevour rather than fortunate rebounds. I love the way Barnes supporters can do nothing to actually bolster his case for inclusion other than attempt to discredit other players in the squad.

But its not about discrediting other players, its about the MASSIVE double standards in play! I'm not saying Barnes is playing well, I'm saying that he's not the only one who's in poor form. I'm happy to admit that Barnes' recent form has not been up to scratch but that applies to so many that I fail to see why its always Barnes who gets the blame and the flack when frankly others have been far worse at times.

 

[The Large One]

Well we are the twats who pay his effing wages....

Speak for yourself.

You also have no say in Barnes being picked. So my question remains - what is Gus caving in to?

 

[JBizzle]

Such as the two deflected goals v barnsley, the penalties v watford and leeds, the goal put on a plate by bruno v sheffield wed? 5 goals that were pens or not really made by him. Out of 9 scored (and some of the other four might fall into those categories as I can't really remember them).

It's not about discrediting others to bolster Barne's case, it's about showing how the anti-barnes people have double standards - they criticise barnes for things while allowing others to do the exact same thing without criticising them, how they stand up for other players doing these things yet list them as reasons to dislike barnes.

Sorry, didn't get to your post before I posted almost the same thing!! I agree...