Question for the cricket umpires

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[Shropshire Seagull]

Several of you have correctly identified it should be the non-striker who is not out [batter B] since he has not left his ground. However, it is rare that a non-striker stays within his ground after the ball has been delivered as we coach non-strikers to "back-up". Backing up means taking a few steps down the wicket [towards the striker and leaving your ground] to prepare for a quick run [sorry if you all knew that].

Law 29 [Batsman out of his ground] explains whose ground is whose and helps clarify Law 38 [Run Out].
This explains that even if the non-striker were to leave his ground, it remains his ground until the batters cross. If he returns to the non-strikers ground before crossing, it is still his ground.

 

[Sussex on Leith]

Read it again. It doesn't say that he was wilfully trying to hit the ball but wilfully trying to hit it again. It's not at all similar to handball in football - that can be difficult to interpret but it's very, very obvious if a batsman has two goes at hitting the ball - there's going to be considerable gap between the two shots.

And aren't you allowed to hit it twice - deliberately - in defence of your stumps? For example, if you defended the ball and it bounced down and spun back towards the stumps, could you use your bat to knock it away? I had it in my head that you could, but am starting to doubt myself now.

Where you would definitely be out hit the ball twice would be if you defended it, it dropped at your feet, and you then whacked it away in an attempt to score runs.

Or - I think - if it looped up off bat and pad, and you knocked it away to stop the short leg fielder catching it. (Or would that be out obstructing the field? Oh, I don't care anyway, I've gone right off cricket over the past month or so, for some reason...)

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

That would depend on WHERE he hit it. It's only definitely B's call if A hit it behind square.

Bit old school that theory. We coach that either batter can call regardless of where the ball has gone, but emphasise the point that often, one batter is in a better position to judge [eg angles] if a run is likely to be safe or unsafe. If either batter calls "no", you make your ground safe and discuss once the ball is dead. It is important also that at least one batter calls every time - only "yes", "no", or "wait" are acceptable and "sorry" is definitely not an acceptable call. We also encourage decisions to be made out of the crease [assuming safe to do so] to reduce the distance if the "yes" is tight.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

I remember as a YOUTH I was bowling in some cricket competition or other. I bowled a slightly short, slow ball (i.e. an awful delivery) and the batsman pulled it. As he did, I was CERTAIN I heard two sounds on the willow.

As I wandered back past the umpire for my next delivery, I said to him; "You know, I think he hit it twice...". The umpire replied: "He did, if you'd appealed I would've given him out."

TRUE STORY.

So remember kids, ALWAYS APPEAL.

Poor umpiring! See law 27 [Appeals] sub-para 3 which states that for an appeal to be valid, it must be made before the bowler begins his next run up, or if he has no run up, his bowling action, to deliver the next ball, and before "Time" has been called. So it was NOT too late for you to appeal.

In addition, some regular players think that if the umpire has called "Over" it is then too late to appeal. Not so, per above, the cut-off is when the bowler starts the next over from the other end - not a lot of people know that.

But anyway. hit the ball twice must be willful and if there was a double sound made during the single stroke played, I would judge that not to be willful.

Oooh, I do like all these cricket questions - would be my specialist subject if I was ever on mastermind ....

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

And aren't you allowed to hit it twice - deliberately - in defence of your stumps? For example, if you defended the ball and it bounced down and spun back towards the stumps, could you use your bat to knock it away? I had it in my head that you could, but am starting to doubt myself now.

Where you would definitely be out hit the ball twice would be if you defended it, it dropped at your feet, and you then whacked it away in an attempt to score runs.

Or - I think - if it looped up off bat and pad, and you knocked it away to stop the short leg fielder catching it. (Or would that be out obstructing the field? Oh, I don't care anyway, I've gone right off cricket over the past month or so, for some reason...)

There has been a tweak to Law 34 [Hit the ball twice] that came into force in October this year [2013]. Previously a batter could be given out HTBT if he tapped / pushed the ball to a nearby fielder having already played it. Now, if the ball is not dead, or the fielding team have not given permission, it falls under Law 37 - Obstructing the field. We always coach batters: leave the fielding to the fielders, its not your job to be helpful to them.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Batsman A is on strike and Batman B is at the other end.
A hits ball and runs, B doesn't and remains in his end. A gets in and the fielding side then whip off the bails at the strikers end. Neither A nor B walks. Who does the umpire give out ?

A. He has left his crease, B hasn't.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Law 29 2. Which is a batsman’s ground

(a) If only one batsman is within a ground

(i) it is his ground

(ii) it remains his ground even if he is later joined there by the other batsman.

Batsman A is out.

All i can take from that is you have just read THE LAWS OF CRICKET (MCC 2010) and yes i read it as the same A is out.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Okay, next question:
Bowler bowls a fair ball and batter strikes it in to the deep, but it does not cross the boundary. Batters start running. Dog being walked around the boundary off the lead runs on to the pitch and picks up the ball in its mouth, but does not run anywhere with it - ie remains on the field of play and does not go over the boundary. The batters keep running and the dog won't release the ball.
As umpire what action do you take?

 

[happypig]

Okay, next question:
Bowler bowls a fair ball and batter strikes it in to the deep, but it does not cross the boundary. Batters start running. Dog being walked around the boundary off the lead runs on to the pitch and picks up the ball in its mouth, but does not run anywhere with it - ie remains on the field of play and does not go over the boundary. The batters keep running and the dog won't release the ball.
As umpire what action do you take?

Chase dog over boundary, award a 4.

 

[Everest]

Shoot the dog.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Okay, next question:
Bowler bowls a fair ball and batter strikes it in to the deep, but it does not cross the boundary. Batters start running. Dog being walked around the boundary off the lead runs on to the pitch and picks up the ball in its mouth, but does not run anywhere with it - ie remains on the field of play and does not go over the boundary. The batters keep running and the dog won't release the ball.
As umpire what action do you take?

Law 20: Lost ball. If a ball in play is lost or cannot be recovered, the fielding side can call "lost ball". The batting side keeps any penalty runs (such as no-balls and wides) and scores the higher of six runs and the number of runs actually run.

 

[Janbha]

The Answer is A . Unless B happens to be Ricky Ponting

 

[GOM]

Law 20: Lost ball. If a ball in play is lost or cannot be recovered, the fielding side can call "lost ball". The batting side keeps any penalty runs (such as no-balls and wides) and scores the higher of six runs and the number of runs actually run.

Isn't it boring when people just look up the laws and quote them ?

Bit like being in a pub quiz when teams are googling the answers.

 

[Mr Blobby]

The last time I was run out our best batsman appologised to me as we crossed each other as everyone knew I was not going to make it. I had to sacrifice my wicket to him, it was his call, we need quick runs and I took it and was out by miles! Then again with my lack of pace if I had turned round and tried to get back in he would have beaten me to it!

Up the Hove Unicorns!

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Law 20: Lost ball. If a ball in play is lost or cannot be recovered, the fielding side can call "lost ball". The batting side keeps any penalty runs (such as no-balls and wides) and scores the higher of six runs and the number of runs actually run.

Splendid demonstration of cut 'n' paste - but you have not answered the question I asked.
This scenario actually happened in a league game about 4 years ago and I have asked many qualified and panel umpires "As umpire, what action do you take?"

The answer is ........ nothing - until a member of the fielding team calls "lost ball".
Several esteemed white coat wearers of the Birmingham Premier league and minor counties panel wrongly suggested they would call "Dead ball" - which is what the ump did in the game where it actually happened [batters were starting to walk their 4th run LOL].

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Ok, next question:

Again this is a true story - probably about 15 years ago now - I was the skipper of the fielding side and we had a decent leggie bowling for us - we were playing at Slindon nr Arundel.

We'd just taken a wicket and a new batter comes to the crease - he was not the most gifted of strokemakers but his technique was to charge down the wicket to everything, but he was canny and made sure NOTHING got past him. So as the leggie ran up to bowl, this chap charged down the track, so the bowler aborted his delivery [didn't release the ball]. This happened 3 or 4 times in a row and it was clear neither batter nor bowler were going to change what they were doing.

As umpire, what should you do?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Ok, next question:

Again this is a true story - probably about 15 years ago now - I was the skipper of the fielding side and we had a decent leggie bowling for us - we were playing at Slindon nr Arundel.

We'd just taken a wicket and a new batter comes to the crease - he was not the most gifted of strokemakers but his technique was to charge down the wicket to everything, but he was canny and made sure NOTHING got past him. So as the leggie ran up to bowl, this chap charged down the track, so the bowler aborted his delivery [didn't release the ball]. This happened 3 or 4 times in a row and it was clear neither batter nor bowler were going to change what they were doing.

As umpire, what should you do?

The batsman's not doing anything unlawful, so force the bowler to bowl, otherwise remove him from the game?

 

[The Wizard]

Ok, next question:

Again this is a true story - probably about 15 years ago now - I was the skipper of the fielding side and we had a decent leggie bowling for us - we were playing at Slindon nr Arundel.

We'd just taken a wicket and a new batter comes to the crease - he was not the most gifted of strokemakers but his technique was to charge down the wicket to everything, but he was canny and made sure NOTHING got past him. So as the leggie ran up to bowl, this chap charged down the track, so the bowler aborted his delivery [didn't release the ball]. This happened 3 or 4 times in a row and it was clear neither batter nor bowler were going to change what they were doing.

As umpire, what should you do?

Encourage the bowler to bowl the delivery and if he doesn't then he will be thrown out the attack by the umpire.

Here's sonething I've often wondered about Cricket, if a bowler is a spinner and he secretly decides he wants to bowl a bit of high pace bowling runs in and changes his delivery style without warning? Is this allowed? (I know it would be difficult to bowl high pace with a spinners run up but just for arguments sake)

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Encourage the bowler to bowl the delivery and if he doesn't then he will be thrown out the attack by the umpire.

Here's sonething I've often wondered about Cricket, if a bowler is a spinner and he secretly decides he wants to bowl a bit of high pace bowling runs in and changes his delivery style without warning? Is this allowed? (I know it would be difficult to bowl high pace with a spinners run up but just for arguments sake)

as long as you don't change the hand you bowl from you can do what you like. Spinners do occasionally bowl a faster ball, I've seen them bowl bouncers too, and pace bowlers regularly bowl slower balls and back-of-the-hand leg breaks.