[Albion] Palace Fans Biggest Fear

[Stato]

One thing teams mid table premier league should remember, in the cups play your best side in all rounds in gives momentum whoever you play and you could if lucky win one.

We would have loved to, but you might have noticed that we didn't get the luck of regularly having our best side available. We had different luck, like starting Matt O'Riley in the EFL v Crawley and having him assaulted after a couple of minutes and out for three months. We had to try to build momentum whilst not being able to pick the same starting eleven for any two consecutive games this season.

We picked our best available eleven against Forest in the QF whilst on a seven game unbeaten run and sitting two points off fourth. We weren't fortunate enough to get momentum. Instead, we played 120 minutes, went out on penalties, lost one of our two available match fit centre backs and one of our most effective attackers and then lost to Villa a few days later. Had we lost to Chelsea or Newcastle in the cup, rested and won the Villa game, we'd have finished above them and made Europe.

Whatever momentum we did manage ended up being enough to finish well above your lot, so presumably this momentum you wisely developed only came into effect every four weeks or so when you played cup games against the giants of Doncaster, Stockport and Millwall. We got drawn against three different teams that you'd have to admit would most likely have knocked Palace's best team out, considering that you failed to beat any of them home or away this season.

Yes, you got lucky and won the cup. Like Wigan did, and like plenty of other teams have done in the past whilst changing their teams wholesale for cup games. Nobody will ever be able to take the trophy away from you and of course we're all gutted. Perhaps satisfy yourself with that and give the footballing lessons a miss, because 'if lucky' is doing all the heavy lifting in your cliched bon mot.

 

[Zeberdi]

Anyone Brighton fan saying that Palace could easily be in a relegation battle next year is purely using this as a coping mechanism for our FA Cup win. The 3 that have come up will be major favourites to go down again and even if one, two or even all three of them somehow survived i'm more than confident we would stay up still. I do however think challenging for Europe next season via the league may be quite hard for us given we have Europa League this coming season, the added games will stretch us at times but we will be adding to our squad and I would imagine we will be able to attract some very decent players now we are in Europe. I fully expect us to give the Europa League a good shot and for our club to build on the success of this season. Glasner has won it before, who knows, it could happen to him again with us!

Enough of the psychobabble already - it just comes across as disingenuous trolling.

Palace as a mid/to bottom half PL team are in no position to crow about next season because you had an easy cup run.

None of us are. FWIW - I don’t think you will be relegated but I think you will feel the impact of the Europas.

Enjoy the trophy - who doesn’t want that for their Club but an FA Cup win is not an accurate reflection on overall League quality and performance level as you know. One of our main issues at Brighton last season was inconsistency which testifies to that.

The EPL gets tougher each year with more and more silly money pumped into English football from Gulf States and stupid rich Americans (or is that stupid Americans who are rich?). Even the market value of decent players now is impacted by the Saudi Pro. None of us can afford to be complacent.

Brighton is only just consolidating itself as a top 10 Club after just 8 seasons in the Premier League finishing in the top half of the table 3 out of the last 4 seasons with 2023/4 being the year we competed in the Europas and finished 11th under De Zerbi but that could turn on a dime.

Palace on the other hand haven’t finished higher than 10th for over a decade

How Brighton have eclipsed rivals Crystal Palace

The gulf between these two sides has never felt larger, with Brighton's 4-1 victory on Saturday emphasising their new-found superiority

www.nytimes.com

 

[Skuller]

Why do any of them get airtime on here? Surely would be best to kick the lot of them off this BHAFC forum, then we wouldn’t need to bother about the total crap they usually come up with.

I quite like having them here. They’re a good foil to the usual blue-and-white-spectacled views of the world. Dare I say I miss Dougie, as well (I’m sure he did something terrible to be banned).

 

[loz]

On a thread about Brighton fans and the hopeful demise of Crystal Palace, I feel palace fans can and do add to this thread.

I personally will only really use this thread to defend palace.

 

[AZ Gull]

I think we may have done so once.
....

Nope.

 

[Eeyore]

Why do any of them get airtime on here? Surely would be best to kick the lot of them off this BHAFC forum, then we wouldn’t need to bother about the total crap they usually come up with.

To be fair, the amount of crap, even on this thread about Palace, suggests their presence makes no difference.

And there would be a lot of others who I would kick off before Loz. He's most reasonable and, most importantly, a good contributor to the cricket threads

 

[bhafc99]

We need them on here to keep us up-to-speed with progress on their new stand (due for completion 2021).

 

[Cruise Control]

Combined Palace/Brighton 11:

Henderson

Munoz Van Hecke Lacroix Guehi Mitchell

Wharton Baleba

Eze Mitoma

Matata

I said the other day that only 2 of your players (Van Hecke and Baleba) would get into our starting 11, I was wrong, Mitoma gets into this over Sarr on 2nd thoughts, Sarr has more goal/assists this season but Mitoma has been very good for a while now.
That team right there would be a Top 5 side IMO.

 

[Berty23]

Combined Palace/Brighton 11:

Henderson

Munoz Van Hecke Lacroix Guehi Mitchell

Wharton Baleba

Eze Mitoma

Matata

I said the other day that only 2 of your players (Van Hecke and Baleba) would get into our starting 11, I was wrong, Mitoma gets into this over Sarr on 2nd thoughts, Sarr has more goal/assists this season but Mitoma has been very good for a while now.
That team right there would be a Top 5 side IMO.

Sheesh. Given most of those guys picked for palace played virtually every game in the league last season palace must have finished miles above Brighton who rarely never got their best side out.

Have a think about that for a while and then think about whether palace players are as good as you think.

The clue is the league table and points of totals of Brighton’s injury ravaged side and palace’s fit and available side.

 

[Berty23]

Combined Palace/Brighton 11:

Henderson

Munoz Van Hecke Lacroix Guehi Mitchell

Wharton Baleba

Eze Mitoma

Matata

I said the other day that only 2 of your players (Van Hecke and Baleba) would get into our starting 11, I was wrong, Mitoma gets into this over Sarr on 2nd thoughts, Sarr has more goal/assists this season but Mitoma has been very good for a while now.
That team right there would be a Top 5 side IMO.

Let’s play a game.

Which of these strikers would you pick.

A goal involvement every 151 mins
A goal involvement every 164 mins
A goal involvement every 122 mins

 

[Berty23]

Combined Palace/Brighton 11:

Henderson

Munoz Van Hecke Lacroix Guehi Mitchell

Wharton Baleba

Eze Mitoma

Matata

I said the other day that only 2 of your players (Van Hecke and Baleba) would get into our starting 11, I was wrong, Mitoma gets into this over Sarr on 2nd thoughts, Sarr has more goal/assists this season but Mitoma has been very good for a while now.
That team right there would be a Top 5 side IMO.

This is fun. Let’s do another one using stats. Which full back would you pick?

 

[Berty23]

Let’s be honest. Brighton fans will pick players capable of playing a possession and passing game. While palace fans will pick players who can sit deep and launch it long for a chase. So while someone like Webster is clearly a better passer and footballer than Lacroix the palace fans might prefer a hoofer.

Interestingly Webster won 9 of the eleven games he started. Palace win 13 all season.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

On a thread about Brighton fans and the hopeful demise of Crystal Palace, I feel palace fans can and do add to this thread.

I personally will only really use this thread to defend palace.

... and your responses are normally reasonably balanced and welcome.

 

[loz]

Let’s be honest. Brighton fans will pick players capable of playing a possession and passing game. While palace fans will pick players who can sit deep and launch it long for a chase. So while someone like Webster is clearly a better passer and footballer than Lacroix the palace fans might prefer a hoofer.

Interestingly Webster won 9 of the eleven games he started. Palace win 13 all season.

I really don’t think you can call Lacroix a hoofer TBH. Also palace get the ball out wide quickly they don’t just launch it up the park.

Palace might not need 30 passes to get to the half way line, which personally I find a bit boring and predictable and it’s easy for the defending team to set themselves.

. I.e This years home game against Brighton I could not believe when Palace were down to nine players Brighton were fannying around with it passing it backwards and sideways….that is the time you needed launch it into the box.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I really don’t think you can call Lacroix a hoofer TBH. Also palace get the ball out wide quickly they don’t just launch it up the park.

Palace might not need 30 passes to get to the half way line, which personally I find a bit boring and predictable and it’s easy for the defending team to set themselves.

. I.e This years home game against Brighton I could not believe when Palace were down to nine players Brighton were fannying around with it passing it backwards and sideways….that is the time you needed launch it into the box.

yep this.
And indirectly led to us going down to 10 men, when there was still 14 minutes of injury time to play.

Game management is the biggest challenge for our squad.
Knowing how and when to change the approach based on the game conditions.

 

[loz]

yep this.
And indirectly led to us going down to 10 men, when there was still 14 minutes of injury time to play.

Game management is the biggest challenge for our squad.
Knowing how and when to change the approach based on the game conditions.

From what I have seen of Brighton play I would agree, although I saw a great goal from you lot this year, long ball up the middle by the keeper to Mitoma ? Controls it and smashes it into the net, in my view just as good as a 30 pass team goal.

It’s a question of horses for courses, there is no point for example as trying to out football Man City, set he team up to defend and when the opportunity presents itself play the ball into the space where your forward players have been told to attack.

 

[Berty23]

I really don’t think you can call Lacroix a hoofer TBH. Also palace get the ball out wide quickly they don’t just launch it up the park.

Palace might not need 30 passes to get to the half way line, which personally I find a bit boring and predictable and it’s easy for the defending team to set themselves.

. I.e This years home game against Brighton I could not believe when Palace were down to nine players Brighton were fannying around with it passing it backwards and sideways….that is the time you needed launch it into the box.

Fair enough. I guess that is why one team scored 66 goals and one scored 51. I guess Brighton must faff about too much.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

From what I have seen of Brighton play I would agree, although I saw a great goal from you lot this year, long ball up the middle by the keeper to Mitoma ? Controls it and smashes it into the net, in my view just as good as a 30 pass team goal.

It’s a question of horses for courses, there is no point for example as trying to out football Man City, set he team up to defend and when the opportunity presents itself play the ball into the space where your forward players have been told to attack.

I guess it's not one size fits all. As you've said there a very good time and a place for a long ball hoofed up the middle and equally time for slower build up play. Even when we're in control and retaining the ball I can't help to think that a cheeky lob forward wouldn't go amiss and the randomness of it could catch teams off guard.

 

[Berty23]

From what I have seen of Brighton play I would agree, although I saw a great goal from you lot this year, long ball up the middle by the keeper to Mitoma ? Controls it and smashes it into the net, in my view just as good as a 30 pass team goal.

It’s a question of horses for courses, there is no point for example as trying to out football Man City, set he team up to defend and when the opportunity presents itself play the ball into the space where your forward players have been told to attack.

It’s quite interesting about how to play teams. We have all said this season we struggle vs bus Park who launch it. We do. Been the same for years.

Hence we got 4 points from city, 3 from Liverpool, 4 from Newcastle, 2 from Arsenal and 3 from Chelsea. Whereas we got one off forest and none off palace.

In the league vs Liverpool this season we completed more passes than them. Had more shots than them and had more shots on target. They won the league.

 

[Bozza]

It’s quite interesting about how to play teams. We have all said this season we struggle vs bus Park who launch it. We do. Been the same for years.

Hence we got 4 points from city, 3 from Liverpool, 4 from Newcastle, 2 from Arsenal and 3 from Chelsea. Whereas we got one off forest and none off palace.

In the league vs Liverpool this season we completed more passes than them. Had more shots than them and had more shots on target. They won the league.

We've outfootballed most of the "good footballing" sides this year.