[Albion] Losing Macalister & Caicedo

[PeakGull]

Yes, but Liverpool only have a better chance because they pay higher wages and Spurs! are one of the destinations considered to be a 'higher level'. Bissouma surely couldn't have gone there to win things. Their most recent trophy is less recent than Leicester's, Wigan's, Swansea's, Portsmouth's etc. The 'higher level' myth protects the advantage of the established (spelled monied) clubs by maintaining the pretense that only they can win things. For players it seems easier to join them than to beat them, especially if they're happy to stuff your mouth with gold. This Brighton squad bolstered and staying together under RDZ could have had the talent needed to challenge, but we'll never know because money.

However, it is the way of the world and I don't hold any grudge against any of our players for taking the opportunity available to them, I'm arguing only for a bit more honesty about prime motivation.

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

 

[Javeaseagull]

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

I can’t remember the pundit (It’s my age) but he said something similar in that Tottenham aren’t a big club they just have a big stadium! I had to agree and to add to the list Birmingham have won something more recently than Spurs as well. Birmingham!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Looks to me the voice of an honourable guy.

Exactly. He was annoyed Martinelli left one on Mitoma and took retribution. In the cold light of day afterwards given the consequences, it’s not a good feeling - unless you’re preparing for your book sales…

 

[nickjhs]

To me it means that there are far too many average players getting massively overpaid. £2.6m a year is still a LOT of money.

Although I think the majority of people probably would agree with your sentiment. it's entirely irrelevant to the reality of our situation and our ability to keep players

 

[Weststander]

Interesting, Chelsea.

That wouldn’t fit in with two theories:

1. Chelsea will be tied down by FFP for years to come.

2. The new NSC take that Mac A and Caicedo would be very sad to not sign for ManC, Arsenal, Manure or Newcastle.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Clearly Caicedo’s agents are working overtime to get him out the club.

Their best chance is obviously creating a bidding war to tempt TB. Chelsea & Arsenal are givens but is there really a third team?

Hopefully we purchase his replacement soon to take the pressure off the recruitment team.

 

[nickjhs]

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

First of don't conflate big with elite, normally the phrase is top 6, which looking at the stats over their last 20 years is true, this season will be regarded as a failure by fans and pundits. So while I agree with you they are not among the greats/elites they are certainly one of the top 6 in the prem and the fan base and finances make them a big club.

 

[dazzer6666]

First of don't conflate big with elite, normally the phrase is top 6, which looking at the stats over their last 20 years is true, this season will be regarded as a failure by fans and pundits. So while I agree with you they are not among the greats/elites they are certainly one of the top 6 in the prem and the fan base and finances make them a big club.

Can’t see it happening at the moment - no manager, no plan, no Europe and a ruined Biss as factors to consider.

 

[The Fits]

BBC reporting Tyler Adams has a relegation release clause. Defensively he would be a superb replacement for Moises. Adams and Dahoud, on paper, looks fantastic.

 

[JBizzle]

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

I supposed it's based on the fact that barring a couple of weird seasons, they always challenge for the top four. In the last 20 seasons, they've only finished outside the Top 6 5 times, have qualified for the Champions League 7 times and have got to a CL final. In that time Brighton have finished in the top 6 once, never reached the CL and have reached no major finals.

Now, I don't think that necessarily makes them "elite", but it does portray the constant hope that they can win something to players they look to sign. Combine that with a significant wage budget and it's easy to convince players to go there. Take Bissouma. Big wage increase, change to play for a big name manager and Champions League football. Other than Spurs being Spurs, they should have been a great step for him. As it stands, Spurs are in a decline rather than an ascendance.

I think Spurs are a big club in the same way that Everton, Villa and Forest are big clubs: They won stuff before I was born. Moving from Brighton to Spurs is becoming less and less a good move, but this is one season. Let's see how Spurs to with a season where all they have to focus on is domestic football.

 

[Silverhatch]

AMac (integral to) an Argentine WC win, and Moises - an elite DM nowhere near his full potential. We know it’s our model but no one should diminish the fact that it’ll be incredibly difficult (impossible) to replace these two. City or Madrid or Barcelona (under Xavi) are Champions League behemoths befitting of these two

 

[medwayseagull reborn]

BBC reporting Tyler Adams has a relegation release clause. Defensively he would be a superb replacement for Moises. Adams and Dahoud, on paper, looks fantastic.

Football isn't played on paper.

 

[Lurchy]

BBC reporting Tyler Adams has a relegation release clause. Defensively he would be a superb replacement for Moises. Adams and Dahoud, on paper, looks fantastic.

There’s better options available that suit our style better or / and have a higher ceiling:

Federico Redondo,
Amadou Haidara,
Maxime Lopez

Either of those 3 and I’d be happy.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

Well, they are filling a 62k capacity stadium whilst playing shockingly dull football. That suggests a pretty decent fanbase. It’s a fantastic stadium generating big revenues which is where the money comes in. However, without the support turning up on match day there wouldn’t be the commercial opportunities that re-enforce their place in the ‘elite.’ Doesn’t that increase their probability of winning things if and when they appoint the correct management team ? That combination of money and the increased chance of winning things is what attracts players. As with much in life it is more complicated than looking for only one motivation. Everton are probably a good example of what you were saying. The reality is that are not currently a ‘big club’ as past trophy wins mean nothing on their own. They will be transformed when Bramley Dock is completed though. The likes of Leeds, Wednesday etc are though very unlikely to regain the status their fans mistakenly think they have as the game has changed.

 

[brightn'ove]

Reading the translations of the interview in Paraguay with Julio Enciso, it really sounds like Alexis is a huge role model and presence for the South American players in the squad. We're going to really miss him, not just from a playing perspective. Hopefully, if we get Milner over the line, he can provide a similar level of role model to the players as a spanish speaker, although the respect that Alexis commands following the way he broke into our squad, and went on to be an important player in the world cup win, I'm not sure Milner will see the same respect.

 

[Hugo Rune]

BBC reporting Tyler Adams has a relegation release clause. Defensively he would be a superb replacement for Moises. Adams and Dahoud, on paper, looks fantastic.

If we could get him cheap, I agree.

Leeds Utd paid £20m for him. I know he has had injuries but you have to call his time in the Premier League a failure. I’m not sure how well he protected his defence in all those Leeds Utd loses.

If Leeds are trying to make a profit or get their money back then no. But for £10m or so. It’s a yes. We should absolutely not be paying more than we paid for Wee Billy. The club will have better options.

 

[The Fits]

If we could get him cheap, I agree.

Leeds Utd paid £20m for him. I know he has had injuries but you have to call his time in the Premier League a failure. I’m not sure how well he protected his defence in all those Leeds Utd loses.

If Leeds are trying to make a profit or get their money back then no. But for £10m or so. It’s a yes. We should absolutely not be paying more than we paid for Wee Billy. The club will have better options.

Believe he is in the top 1% in Europe for tackles made per 90 minutes and actually came fourth in the PL (Moises was 2nd) in terms of tackles made despite playing only 20 times.

 

[Hiheidi]

 

[Wozza]

Exactly, this constant narrative from the media about big/elite clubs is getting on my nerves more than ever.

Tottenham haven’t won the top division in English football since the 1960-61 season (and have only ever won it twice) and have never won the European Cup/Champions League. Since then, Nottingham Forest have won the top division and the European Cup twice, Villa have won the top division and the European Cup and Derby have won the top division twice. Even Leeds won the old first division three times since then.

What apart from money makes Tottenham and elite club?

Global following.

[Football] - Big 6 PL Finances

I thought this was mildly interesting: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-numbers-behind-chelseas-enormous-financial-failure-g2rrl9t9p

www.northstandchat.com

The Big Six are MILES ahead of others - and they're getting bigger.

When people talk of 'big six' media bias... when players (and our manager) talk about 'next level'.... this is the sad reality.

 

[Hugo Rune]

His is very interesting seeing as we have the ball most of the time so opportunities for Moises to tackle and intercept are very limited. We are second in the Premier League for possession.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/ballbesitz/wettbewerb/GB1

Also - you won’t be needing that twitter account much next season!