France to ban the Burqa?

[User removed 4]

Fair enough.

tried to be less waspish with that one !

 

[Pavilionaire]

a lot of muslim women wear it to put two fingers up to our society, ive been told this by muslim women themselves.

Well then they can get on a plane and DO ONE...

 

[Pavilionaire]

By they way, how did this thread get from a Muslim garment to bombs and terrorists?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

I totally agree with the French government's proposals. After the D-Day Celebration Queen 'debacle' the boy Sarkozy has pulled it round.

Yesterday my wife took my son to Chessington World Of Adventure and he saw a woman in full-length black garb complete with burkha offering a bemused child some sweets. My son said "Mummy, what's THAT?"

My wife was stumped. How CAN you explain something like that to a 3 year-old?

Darth Vader?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Where in the story does it say that the French are going to introduce a universal BAN on the wearing of anything? All that Sarkozy has said is that he doesn't like burkas.

This is no different from Prince Charles saying he doesn't like modern architecture. It doesn't mean it will be BANNED.

 

[Stoo82]

Surley if the French Muslim women don't like the rules they can move to The Kingdom of Arabia where they respect the Womens right to where the Burka?

 

[The Spanish]

i think he means that if they didnt see themselves first and foremost as muslims rather than british, they might not have felt so strongly about iraq, that is where multiculturalism comes so badly unstuck.

Exactly. But I am also not that stupid that I dont understand

some people could not give a monkeys either way
some people are so thick they dont know whats happening at all
some people would not dream of siding against their country of residence/nationality

and all points in between.

it makes me laugh when you are painted as some sort of generalising bigot by those so keen to highlight their wisdom or worldliness, that they miss the point entirely, and immediately pigeon hole anyone who makes a link between social or community issues here and the appeal of islamic terrorism. FOR SOME. And a few others along that line of all points inbetween.

 

[sten_super]

i think he means that if they didnt see themselves first and foremost as muslims rather than british, they might not have felt so strongly about iraq, that is where multiculturalism comes so badly unstuck.

Nail on the head IMO. It's very sad that they identified so much more with people living thousands of miles away than with the community in which they lived, to the degree that in order to get revenge for what they saw as an 'injustice', they were willing to kill hundreds of people.

I went to three days of the Twenty20 WC and a similar thought struck me. There were a lot of second and third generation British Asians at these games, the vast vast vast majority of whom were strongly supporting the country left by their parents/grandparents above the country of their birth and home.

Can people look at these kinds of examples and seriously say that 'multiculturalism' is working?

 

[The Spanish]

Surley if the French Muslim women don't like the rules they can move to The Kingdom of Arabia where they respect the Womens right to where the Burka?

and to not be allowed to drive cars, have the lowest rate of female employment in the world, or being jailed for being a gang rape victim.

Chicken Tikka Masalaland knows all the answers though, don't worry.

 

[Husty]

I totally agree with the French government's proposals. After the D-Day Celebration Queen 'debacle' the boy Sarkozy has pulled it round.

Yesterday my wife took my son to Chessington World Of Adventure and he saw a woman in full-length black garb complete with burkha offering a bemused child some sweets. My son said "Mummy, what's THAT?"

My wife was stumped. How CAN you explain something like that to a 3 year-old?

Did you try?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I totally agree with the French government's proposals. After the D-Day Celebration Queen 'debacle' the boy Sarkozy has pulled it round.

Yesterday my wife took my son to Chessington World Of Adventure and he saw a woman in full-length black garb complete with burkha offering a bemused child some sweets. My son said "Mummy, what's THAT?"

My wife was stumped. How CAN you explain something like that to a 3 year-old?

Exactly the same way that you would explain a nun or a vicar.

 

[Stoo82]

and to not be allowed to drive cars, have the lowest rate of female employment in the world, or being jailed for being a gang rape victim.

Chicken Tikka Masalaland knows all the answers though, don't worry.

I hope you understood my sarcasm with my post. I dont see how where a Burka has anything to do with worshiping Alah anyway. All it is designed to do is supress women.

 

[Dandyman]

Yes of course.

They were British born muslims with a massive identity crisis. It is the most significant factor in what they did. Any western involvement in the muslim world, they saw as negative, could have been a catalyst for their insane actions, even if they do mention Iraq in their videos.

I can not think of a single muslim terorist attack in the UK prior to 2003. I can think of scores of terrorist attacks by Christians from the murder of an RUC officer by the UVF in the 1960's through to the atrocities committed by RIRA/CIRA and the recent murder of a Celtic supporter. I assume therefore the solution is to ban all expressions of Roman Catholic or dissenting Protestant identity?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Exactly the same way that you would explain a nun or a vicar.

Oh come ON! The woman's head and face were COVERED!

Unless your vicar or local Mother Superior cycle around wearing balaclavas I'd say it was VERY different.

 

[Dandyman]

and to not be allowed to drive cars, have the lowest rate of female employment in the world, or being jailed for being a gang rape victim.

Chicken Tikka Masalaland knows all the answers though, don't worry.

And if nuns don't like their habits being banned they can move to Rome, Orthodox Jewish women who object to their wigs being banned can move to Israel, people who decide to move to big multi-ethnic cities and don't like it can move back to their coastal villages and so on...

 

[Stoo82]

Exactly the same way that you would explain a nun or a vicar.

But nuns and vicars dont cover ther whole face and body.

Think of this for a moment:

If you mother wore a full body Burka and you where only 5 years old. You are about to go on a plane and fly to Holland. You, as a child, are a bit nervous of flying and you want some reasurence from you mother and all you can see is her eyes. I would personlay like to see a smile from her, but i cant. There is notthing good about whereing a Burka.

 

[Dandyman]

Oh come ON! The woman's head and face were COVERED!

Unless your vicar or local Mother Superior cycle around wearing balaclavas I'd say it was VERY different.

So you are ok with a Muslim head scarf, Jewish wig or Christian hat then?

 

[Dandyman]

But nuns and vicars dont cover ther whole face and body.

Think of this for a moment:

If you mother wore a full body Burka and you where only 5 years old. You are about to go on a plane and fly to Holland. You, as a child, are a bit nervous of flying and you want some reasurence from you mother and all you can see is her eyes. I would personlay like to see a smile from her, but i cant. There is notthing good about whereing a Burka.

There's nothing good IMO about most religion but would you actually ban it?

 

[Stoo82]

There's nothing good IMO about most religion but would you actually ban it?

I dont think anyone is trying to ban religion. Although, the French have in Public life, but that has been for, at a guess, around 200 years? Revolution and all that.

Of course there are good things about religion.

What Christianity Judaisum and Islam need to do is admit there are fundimentaly the same. They have the same God and there have the same set of values.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Where in the story does it say that the French are going to introduce a universal BAN on the wearing of anything? All that Sarkozy has said is that he doesn't like burkas.

This is no different from Prince Charles saying he doesn't like modern architecture. It doesn't mean it will be BANNED.

It's more than him just saying that LB and you know it.

This subject is being raised as a focus for the French Parliament to debate and decide whther to extend the secular ideals already extant in French Schools and other state facilities to society in General.

As an aside there was a debate yesterday on the radio where a lady from the French Muslim council claimed that as a result of the banning of the Niqab and Burqa in French Classrooms that "Thousands" of Muslim female teachers had moved to Britain for work in a more tolerant educational system...is that really the case? I thought that in the UK many schools had implemented the same rule and teachers were not allowed to teach children with the full face cover in place...or did I imagine that?