Chelsea in Paris

[Gazz15]

It's a story we are all clearly very interested in, judging by the amount of comment.

Ukraine/Russia will still be there next week.

Yes of course, one story could kill us all, while the other is a story of 'sticks & stones' very fortuitously filmed on a mobile phone!

 

[Diablo]

i don't know whether you condone it, you obviously weren't outraged enough about it to comment , why not ? I also wonder why this hasn't been commented on and condemned at the highest levels ?
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Put this on as seperate thread...be interested to hear some comments....from the people who are so horrified by silly but harmless incident in Paris!!!!

 

[Pavilionaire]

I was interested to hear Mourinho's comments yesterday.

"This is not Chelsea, Chelsea is...the chairman, the board, the players, the staff. And the good fans."

Racism has been in Chelsea's DNA since the 50s, probably the most racist club in a England historically. For me this very much IS Chelsea.

 

[User removed 4]

I was interested to hear Mourinho's comments yesterday.

"This is not Chelsea, Chelsea is...the chairman, the board, the players, the staff. And the good fans."

Racism has been in Chelsea's DNA since the 50s, probably the most racist club in a England historically. For me this very much IS Chelsea.

racism has been in Chelsea's DNA since the 50s , really ??

 

[Pavilionaire]

No Bushy it appeared from nowhere when Paul Canoville was about to make his debut. Racist club.

 

[User removed 4]

No Bushy it appeared from nowhere when Paul Canoville was about to make his debut. Racist club.

No it didn't, it was there before that, basically you haven't got any source or reason for the timeline you've stated and plucked the 'racist since the 50s ' bit out of thin air , yes ? You haven't got a clue and are the worst type of bandwagon jumper.

 

[BigGully]

I was interested to hear Mourinho's comments yesterday.

"This is not Chelsea, Chelsea is...the chairman, the board, the players, the staff. And the good fans."

Racism has been in Chelsea's DNA since the 50s, probably the most racist club in a England historically. For me this very much IS Chelsea.

I know fans have a default reference of spite for most teams, but how does this one work, beyond Terry how have you come to this conclusion ??

 

[Pavilionaire]

No it didn't, it was there before that, basically you haven't got any source or reason for the timeline you've stated and plucked the 'racist since the 50s ' bit out of thin air , yes ? You haven't got a clue and are the worst type of bandwagon jumper.

Read about the inner city race riots of 1958 and 1959 in Notting Hill and Latimer Road when hundreds of white teddy boys terrorised the black community, then read about the rise of the Chelsea Shed Boys in the 60s and what they got up to. How do think this racism got into the club?

If you are the true fountain of knowledge you tell me when racism in Chelsea first reared its ugly head, let's hear the facts from the oracle.

 

[User removed 4]

I know fans have a default reference of spite for most teams, but how does this one work, beyond Terry how have you come to this conclusion ??

In the 80s CHELSEA had a very racist following , despite some very high profile blacks in the 'firm' , however pavilionaire is basing his statement on conjecture and what he THINKS they are like due to their history, his 'racist since the 50s' part was quite simply laughable and showed his post up for the utter bilge that it is.

 

[Pavilionaire]

In the 80s CHELSEA had a very racist following , despite some very high profile blacks in the 'firm' , however pavilionaire is basing his statement on conjecture and what he THINKS they are like due to their history, his 'racist since the 50s' part was quite simply laughable and showed his post up for the utter bilge that it is.

Answer my question Bushy.

 

[User removed 4]

Read about the inner city race riots of 1958 and 1959 in Notting Hill and Latimer Road when hundreds of white teddy boys terrorised the black community, then read about the rise of the Chelsea Shed Boys in the 60s and what they got up to. How do think this racism got into the club?

If you are the true fountain of knowledge you tell me when racism in Chelsea first reared its ugly head, let's hear the facts from the oracle.

notting hill and Latimer road are solid qpr areas, this alone highlights your stunning ignorance, and tell me what you think the 'CHELSEA shed boys' got up to in the sixties ? Racism at chelsea was a late 70s till mid 80s thing , basically with all your questions and the lack of one single fact to back up what you say , you're showing that your post was based on nothing whatsoever except your own, very uninformed views.

 

[Diablo]

Football fans have always chanted abuse at opposition be they fat/black/gay or in any way different from percieved norm..In the 60s early seventies any black player at Goldstone got the oo oo oo chant.Whilst there are abhorrant Racists about I feel that generally its because. You aren`t with us and you`re different....The fact that these so called Racists support a team with nearly 50% black squad tells me they don`t hate you cause you`re black its because you don`t support Chelsea.

Us Brighton fans "Hate" Palace. We don`t Hate them individually only because they like what we don`t. If Brighton fan didn`t let white palace fan on train no story..Black palace fan completely different story, .

 

[Pavilionaire]

notting hill and Latimer road are solid qpr areas, this alone highlights your stunning ignorance, and tell me what you think the 'CHELSEA shed boys' got up to in the sixties ? Racism at chelsea was a late 70s till mid 80s thing , basically with all your questions and the lack of one single fact to back up what you say , you're showing that your post was based on nothing whatsoever except your own, very uninformed views.

Late 70s til mid 80s? Tell that to Clyde Best. And are seriously saying racism at Chelsea ended in the mid-80s? Even casual football fans are aware of Chelsea's continued links with the NF and Combat 18, anyone who's seen England away in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s will have seen the Chelsea contingent spouting their filth. It's obviously still there as the train video has shown. Or is that the first CHelsea racism for 30 years?!

 

[Husty]

Funny how many like you and Pink Fairy seek to brush these incidents under the carpet by trivialising the incidents rather than say it was wrong. What happened on a train elsewhere does nor matter a jot, comparing it to other incidents does not dilute the impact. Apologists for racists like you and and the Pink Fairy who wish for a return to the good old days of the seventies and eighties just show how out dated and out of touch you are with the rest of society. I expect many thumbs down from you as this seems to be your forte and an example of your small mindedness.

I'm not making apologies for anyone. It's a vile incident. But I don't like the way it's being covered in the media. That is not acceptable is it?

 

[User removed 4]

Late 70s til mid 80s? Tell that to Clyde Best. And are seriously saying racism at Chelsea ended in the mid-80s? Even casual football fans are aware of Chelsea's continued links with the NF and Combat 18, anyone who's seen England away in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s will have seen the Chelsea contingent spouting their filth. It's obviously still there as the train video has shown. Or is that the first CHelsea racism for 30 years?!

ah, you're floundering now, we've gone from 'racist since the fifties' and teddy boy anecdotes you've lifted from your A level sociology textbook to 'tell that to Clyde best', who incidentally was a player when racist abuse would be heard at EVERY ground, what's screwed your argument up is that I've never denied the racist element at Chelsea, I've just added the facts that you are so sadly lacking, apparently casual football fans are aware of Chelsea's links with the NF and combat 18 , really ? I'm a Chelsea season ticket holder and I'm not even aware if these groups even exist anymore, anyway, I digress, I'm satisfied that my original intention, which was to show up your assertion that Chelsea have been 'racist since the 50s' as completely unfounded sensationalism , has been accomplished.

 

[BigGully]

In the 80s CHELSEA had a very racist following , despite some very high profile blacks in the 'firm' , however pavilionaire is basing his statement on conjecture and what he THINKS they are like due to their history, his 'racist since the 50s' part was quite simply laughable and showed his post up for the utter bilge that it is.

I thought most teams had a racists element back then, wasnt aware that Chelsea was seen to have more than most.

There is a difference between being with a club and experiencing it and then concluding that they were worse than other clubs doing the same thing.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I know a lot of people just dismiss him as a loony lefty, champagne socialist and a generally unlikeable bloke but Russell Brand has just posted a rather interesting (IMO) spiel on Facebook about the incident and the recent 5bn TV rights deal. Worth reading even if you dislike him. This paragraph caught my eye;

"The destination of the hooligans on the train is inextricably linked to the journey of the modern game. If you treat fans like they don’t matter, like they’re not worthy of grace, then it isn’t surprising that some behave disgracefully. When fans take back the clubs that are theirs, and run them collectively, aberrant acts like the metro racism can be communally condemned from a just position, not the altar of cold profiteering and cunning hypocrisy"

 

[Pavilionaire]

notting hill and Latimer road are solid qpr areas, this alone highlights your stunning ignorance, and tell me what you think the 'CHELSEA shed boys' got up to in the sixties ? Racism at chelsea was a late 70s till mid 80s thing , basically with all your questions and the lack of one single fact to back up what you say , you're showing that your post was based on nothing whatsoever except your own, very uninformed views.

Solid QPR areas? Back in the 50s they were a nothing third division club averaging less than 10,000, Chelsea were getting 40,000 since becoming champions in the '55 season. Fulham were a decent side then drawing big support from the south of the borough and Putney/ Wandworth, Chelsea were getting support from amongst other places North Kensington which is Notting Hill.

 

[Pavilionaire]

ah, you're floundering now, we've gone from 'racist since the fifties' and teddy boy anecdotes you've lifted from your A level sociology textbook to 'tell that to Clyde best', who incidentally was a player when racist abuse would be heard at EVERY ground, what's screwed your argument up is that I've never denied the racist element at Chelsea, I've just added the facts that you are so sadly lacking, apparently casual football fans are aware of Chelsea's links with the NF and combat 18 , really ? I'm a Chelsea season ticket holder and I'm not even aware if these groups even exist anymore, anyway, I digress, I'm satisfied that my original intention, which was to show up your assertion that Chelsea have been 'racist since the 50s' as completely unfounded sensationalism , has been accomplished.

Your confidence that Chelsea racism was a brief 7 year period that ended some 30 years ago has been proved to be wrong by this week's events. I read an interview with Paul Canoville where he says he was awoken on Tuesday night with a text message saying: "This is starting where you left off, Canners." A club, and it's fans, in denial.

At least Millwall have tried to address their issues, Chelsea fans have largely parked their prejudices as they are spoonfed trophies courtesy of a Jewish owner and a sizeable number of black players, but they just can't resist throwing a black man off a train or a pop at the Yids.

 

[Nitram]

I'm not making apologies for anyone. It's a vile incident. But I don't like the way it's being covered in the media. That is not acceptable is it?

Thanks for putting your point across rather than just giving it the thumbs with no comment. I don't have any problem with the way it's being handled, no doubt other things happen that are not filmed but does not stop it being wrong.
Neanderthals doing what they do when going to football knowing they can get away by being in a group and intimidating others and now getting caught out seems fine by me. I'm not sure what problem you have with the media coverage if you agree the incident was wrong either? News through mobile phone clips do go viral, usually due to a sense of interest in the subject.
What is exactly your point? Is it that it's not newsworthy or the guy being abused should have just shrugged his shoulders and moved on with his life? If you agree it was a vile incident what is the problem with the media coverage? Loads of things are reported in the news they don't need rankings of importance they grow because the audience are interested. This thread being a small example. Is it as important as the Greek bailout debate? No. Does it engage people on a human level? Yes.