The rules state it has to be a careless, reckless or excessive trip or kick to be a penalty. None of these boxes were ticked in my opinion...so it's not a penalty.
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Calderon DIVED.
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I don't think it was a foul. You make a good point in decoupling the two things.
It's one of those myths perpetuated by the likes of Andy Gray on Sky Sports that if you make contact with an attacking opponent and don't make contact with the ball in the penalty area, it's automatically a foul.
In playing for that contact, so he could do his little dive, Calderon was being canny. But the ref knew what he was up to.
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Abort, retry, fail
Dive, as I have thought all along from that footage.
This is how I see it, especially the comment about Andy Gray.
Kaiser_Soze
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How can the keeper rushing off his line like that, with defenders in attendence not be careless?? It was an unnecessary challenge and there was contact. If the ref decided there wasnt sufficient contact for a penalty that doesnt AUTOMATICALLY make it a dive.
beardy gull
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I've changed my mind. There is definite contact. The League Cup Show commentator got is spot on.
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There was contact, but only because Calde left his foot in cleverly*. Unfortunately it ws the one of the few decisions that twat got right.
*or ungentlemanly depending on your viewpoint
*or ungentlemanly depending on your viewpoint
Obviously there is a level of subjectivity involved here. But, in my opinion, and in a sport which involves contact, the keeper did nothing careless. When the keeper advanced off his line I was not subsumed by fear of what might happen next. Far from it. Nothing I saw was careless, reckless of used excessive force which I what had to have happened according to the rules. Contact alone is insufficient.
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RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)
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Just watched it also, calde left his foot in but it was a pen.
We won anyway so no worries
We won anyway so no worries
beardy gull
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No it wasn't.
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Spot on, Kazenga. 
Kaiser_Soze
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He didnt exactly slowly come out to narrow the angle. He rushed out at the players feet. I agree with you that its subjective but I do feel you are underplaying the challenge in order to evidence your belief that Calderon dived/it wasnt a penalty. Hey ho, half the fun is in debating incidents like this!
beardy gull
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Proved to be NOT the case by the TV highlights tonight.
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beardy gull
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Spot on, Kazenga.
Crap. I've watched it a few times now. There's definite contact. The right boot of Westwood on the left boot of Calderon. He doesn't even leave his foot in (which I initially thought and STILL would have been a pen).
folkestonesgull
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it was a penalty for sure, yes calde played for it but the keeper took the man not the ball and thems the rules...how many pens are given because a defender or keeper takes the attacking players trailing leg and not the ball?
LOTS.
LOTS.
beardy gull
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Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Anyone still want video replays for penalty decisions then ?
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