Burka Ban/ Is England Next ?

[Tyrone Biggums]

Does that include those of the Jewish faith?

Yes.

Jews are protected by the Iranian constitution.

Jews are protected in the Iranian constitution.[10] Iran hosts the largest Jewish population of any Muslim-majority country.[15] After Israel, it is home to the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East.[9]

The Persians don't like the Arabs much and vice versa.

Part of the reason why there was an Iraq/Iran war.

Also part of the reason why Iraq used to persecute the Kurdish(Persian back ground) peoples.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't think it has much of a place in the West (or anywhere), but banning it is rather silly and probably counter productive.

As already discussed, from what I'm aware it's a cultural thing that originated from Saudi Arabia rather than a Muslim thing. It's also worth pointing out that where bans do exist, they are more likely to be in Islamic countries.

It's also relatively uncommon. Tends to turn my head if I'm honest in London, because I see it so rarely.

As Dandyman says, we will have to wait and see whether it actually becomes law in France. I saw an interview with the French Police the other day who really don't want a ban. They've got much better things to do.

I will say however, that I don't think the authorities in the West should go out of their way to accommodate it.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

So why do you want this country to be more like Baghdad?

more kebab houses ?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I assume part of it is the same reason people are required to take off motor cycle helmets when entering banks.

Didn't the Aussies bring that law in after Ned Kelly ?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Didn't the Aussies bring that law in after Ned Kelly ?

You mean for the Irish burqa?

You could be right. People seemed to have stopped wearing them after that.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

You mean for the Irish burqa?

You could be right. People seemed to have stopped wearing them after that.

If he had made a few for his mates he wouldn't have ended up like Raoul Moat.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Is the purpose of a hijab/veil to protect the modesty of the female, so that her husband is the only one able to appreciate her form?

Is banning the veil going to achieve anything?

I don't really agree with Tyrone in the assertion that there should be a ban to ease the worries of bank clerks. How many robberies have been committed by someone in a veil?

 

[Cheeky Chappie]

I think that they should be banned in the UK.
They don't have any place in a 'western' society

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Is the purpose of a hijab/veil to protect the modesty of the female, so that her husband is the only one able to appreciate her form?

Is banning the veil going to achieve anything?

I don't really agree with Tyrone in the assertion that there should be a ban to ease the worries of bank clerks. How many robberies have been committed by someone in a veil?

It is to hide their body and facial features.

You could argue that banning the veil in Britain is the British culture saying we reject a symbol of female oppression because that's what it is in some places.

Given you can be punished severely for not wearing it in public.


Conversely what if all Police were allowed to wear balaclavas all the time?

So that they were much harder to identify, wouldn't people feel uncomfortable about that and be against it?

What if a woman who wears a burqa wanted to join the police force, would that be acceptable that the public wasn't able to see an officers face?

 

[jimhigham]

The French are banning it as their society's based on the idea of secularism, the UK can't really claim that

Keaton has hit the nail on the head. As the Queen is not only the Head of State but also the Head of the Church, any legislation against a Islam would immediately be denounced as picking favourites (which, of course, it would be).

Personally, I'd happily see a ban on the wearing of any religious symbols provided that a conflict with existing laws of the land could be demonstrated. This would include compelling sikhs to wear a crash helmet and dispense with ceremonial daggers. The argument against burqas primarily seems to be based on security issues. Fair enough.

And don't get me started on faith schools...

 

[Norman Potting]

France is fiercely secular (and has been since the revolution) and doesn't allow things like large crucifixes in public places etc. We're not and religion plays a much greater role in our society, which makes it a lot harder to justify banning religious attire.

Can I take issue with that. In the Northern part of the Vendee a couple of years back you couldn't go for more than a few kms without seeing a religious statue of some sort, usually Christ on the Cross but other permutations. I almost tried to make up some rules for "Icon cricket" (ie a 6 for Christ plus Mary and Joseph - we did see some of these) but the rest of the family didn't want to take part.

 

[The Spanish]

go to bangladesh and see how many people are wearing them.

go to east london and see how many people of bangladeshi origin are wearing them. its a statement in the west. pure and simple. banning people from wearing them is mental in itself but ask yourself why they are. or even better ask them. f***ed if i know but it doesnt bode well. one thing is for sure its not the host countrys fault that they want to do this. but you can bet your bottom dollar someone will tell you its our fault if they dont buy into 21st century secular britain.

daft laws and paranoia. but if you get people dressing up like looneys to prove a point then the blame cannot all be laid at one sector of societies door.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Can I take issue with that. In the Northern part of the Vendee a couple of years back you couldn't go for more than a few kms without seeing a religious statue of some sort, usually Christ on the Cross but other permutations. I almost tried to make up some rules for "Icon cricket" (ie a 6 for Christ plus Mary and Joseph - we did see some of these) but the rest of the family didn't want to take part.

Very staunch Roman Catholic area that one.

I think its there (could be wrong!) that they chased all the protestants out, then were against the French revolution and revolted, then they wouldn't support Napoleon.

They obviously haven't moved on a lot since then.

I think you're onto something though. France says it's secular, but I think that's Paris and a few of the other big cities.

Out in the provinces they are still pretty religious.

 

[Norman Potting]

Very staunch Roman Catholic area that one.

I think its there (could be wrong!) that they chased all the protestants out, then were against the French revolution and revolted, then they wouldn't support Napoleon.

They obviously haven't moved on a lot since then.

I think you're onto something though. France says it's secular, but I think that's Paris and a few of the other big cities.

Out in the provinces they are still pretty religious.

Good point, you are right that the Vendee rebelled against the revolution, caused lots of trouble and then suffered mass slaughter as a result. The natives there now are very friendly but I am told that the older ones still treat anything from Paris with contempt.

 

[public school boy]

Banning the Hijab is wrong. We should respect their right to chose to wear it if they so wish.

 

[LABHA]

Go in to most garages and buy something,you will be asked to take crash helmet off, ( if you came on a motorcycle), in some bookies also you may be asked to take off baseball caps etc also,so,forgetting all about racism bullshit etc,how the f*** can they be allowed to wear them in places we are not?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Wearing a crash helmet/baseball cap is not deemed necessary or part and parcel of a religion/society?

 

[public school boy]

Has anyone ever asked a Muslim woman if she minds wearing the Hijab? May be we in the west don't fully understand their reasons for wearing such a garment. Take a look back to the 30s in Germany when the authorities started to discriminate. The mocking of Jews supporting long beards.

 

[shingle]

go to bangladesh and see how many people are wearing them.

go to east london and see how many people of bangladeshi origin are wearing them. its a statement in the west. pure and simple. banning people from wearing them is mental in itself but ask yourself why they are. or even better ask them. f***ed if i know but it doesnt bode well. one thing is for sure its not the host countrys fault that they want to do this. but you can bet your bottom dollar someone will tell you its our fault if they dont buy into 21st century secular britain.

daft laws and paranoia. but if you get people dressing up like looneys to prove a point then the blame cannot all be laid at one sector of societies door.

Spot on

 

[beorhthelm]

Conversely what if all Police were allowed to wear balaclavas all the time?

So that they were much harder to identify, wouldn't people feel uncomfortable about that and be against it?

What if a woman who wears a burqa wanted to join the police force, would that be acceptable that the public wasn't able to see an officers face?

theres a bit of a problem and its touched on here. what if someone wants to wear the burqa, should they be banned from doing so? do we then ban the wearing of balaclavas? hoodies? hats next?

so a ban is unnecessry, provocative and probably highly hypocritical, so lets not waste any time on the issue.

if a muslim woman joins the police, she has to wear the uniform. there is no provision for a burqa, and they plainly couldnt do their job wearing one either, so i dont think the issue would ever seriously arise. (as apposed to the hajib which i dont see would be any problem).