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Manuel Onwu Villafrance & Jesse Lingard







Langley

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Mar 10, 2008
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I'm one of the minority of fans who was totally unimpressed by Lingard. A couple of good moments at best, but take away the name of his loaner club and his reputation, and he did so little.

I agree with you on this one, didn't do anything for me.

We are clutching at straws if he comes back for a season.
 




Guy Fawkes

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Sep 29, 2007
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I too saw pretty much every Lingard game.
Didn't stand out to me as a potentially great signing. Has PL attributes you can see that like great pace, but you can also see why he's not cut it - awful decision making, poor timing of runs and poor finishing 95% of the time.

Not so sure about finishing. My interpretation, but I could be wrong, is that a player has that by the time they're a senior pro, or doesn't and probably never will. Hence the premium paid for regular scoring midfielders and forwards.

And how many players have learnt the game and have become the best player they possibly could after a handful of senior matches and aged around just 20 years of age?

Why then is it also considered that a pro's best years are between about 25 and 29 for outfield players and around 30 to 33 for goalkeepers if experience and so on count for nothing?

Some people are very harsh when they judgen young players, we had Lingard in our side and a squad which contained a lot of injuries to influencial players and yet we still made the play-offs, if he was such a liability, surely we would have fallen well short as he was a part of our limited attacking line up (limited due to who was available and do to the tactics being used by Garcia)
 


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How much would Lingard cost? £2m? Probably more considering he is coming from United. Anyone hazard a guess to his wages?
 




pornomagboy

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May 16, 2006
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peacehaven
Was speaking with bloom after the fans forum and I mentioned Lingard and he said that the was a few prem clubs after him aswell
 


Czechmate

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Oct 5, 2011
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Brno Czech Republic
Was speaking with bloom after the fans forum and I mentioned Lingard and he said that the was a few prem clubs after him aswell

Not premiership class by a long way , it will be a mistake by him/agent , he needs another year in the championship to see where his future lies . Wasn't too impressed by him last season but the way our signings are going we may need him .
 






chaileyjem

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Jun 27, 2012
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Didn't do anything for me.

We are clutching at straws if he comes back for a season.

My view is that he helped us get into the play offs. He played 15 matches. We only lost 3 of those..
He got us the penalty in his first game which gave us 3 points at Millwall
The goal and performance against Charlton in the 3-0 was probably the highlight
The goal against Yeovil sealed our play off space as much as Ulloa's Forest winner.
He even gave us hope against Derby.
His loan and Conway's loan were the forgotten bits of recruitment last season that definitely came off.
Would be pleased to have him back and still think its possible given likely United signings, our squad make up, and his age.
 
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Frutos

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I'd be happy if we did get Lingard back, either on loan or permanent.

At this stage, I'd be happy with pretty much any signing mind.
 


Kikikaikai

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Guinness Boy

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Lingard's an excellent footballer, too good for the Championship. Makes intelligent runs, quick and creative. He's just too weak or at least goes down too easily but saying that I wouldn't want him to bulk up or he'd lose all his good attributes. Peter Ward didn't need bulking up.
 




Kikikaikai

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May 20, 2014
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That will be too late, if it happens. Don't players have to be registered by noon today to be eligible to play?

I believe that you are correct, from my recollection registration closes 24 hours prior to the match day
 




Brighton Mod

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Lingard's an excellent footballer, too good for the Championship. Makes intelligent runs, quick and creative. He's just too weak or at least goes down too easily but saying that I wouldn't want him to bulk up or he'd lose all his good attributes. Peter Ward didn't need bulking up.

peter Ward only went down in the box, he was kicked , pushed and body checked but is only object was to score. Todays players should look at his videos and see how it should be done. Peter Wards name should never be used lightly in conversation on here as we will never see another like him. Jesse and him, not even in the same league.
 


Eeyore

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How much would Lingard cost? £2m? Probably more considering he is coming from United. Anyone hazard a guess to his wages?

They wouldn't sell, and if they did it would be for a lot more than that, alas.
 


Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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peter Ward only went down in the box, he was kicked , pushed and body checked but is only object was to score. Todays players should look at his videos and see how it should be done. Peter Wards name should never be used lightly in conversation on here as we will never see another like him. Jesse and him, not even in the same league.

Agreed. Lingard is very promising and could become a gem. However I don't think it is currently a fair comparison with Ward. Lingard benefits from the pace and skill of being in a Man U squad, playing a fast, open style that encourages him to make runs into the box. IMO Oscar's system did not suit Linguard as it was geared to Ulloa leading the line as a lone striker. Linguard played deeper and rarely got to be the true striker, whereas Peter Ward played closer up front alongside Mellor etc. Maybe Lingard would enjoy the higher line that Hyypia prefers.

Ward was a better all around. Punters recall the volume of goals that he scored but my abiding image is of his exceptional gift that he could receive the ball with his back to the goal, shimmy and turn his marker in a flash. Often it was so quick that it seemed as if the ball was attached to his boots. If the marker was a split second late then he was well beaten or risked a penalty. He made some decent defenders look clumsy. He was also a superb finisher. I would love to see Ward in his Albion pomp - but on the smooth Amex pitch and with the protection of current Referees, given the right service I suspect he would be rampant. Dare I suggest he would be similar calibre to Suarez (without the downside!).
 






Wellesley

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Jul 24, 2013
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I would love to see Ward in his Albion pomp - but on the smooth Amex pitch and with the protection of current Referees, given the right service I suspect he would be rampant. Dare I suggest he would be similar calibre to Suarez (without the downside!).

Do you need a licence for your pet fish, Eric the halibut?
 


ewe2

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Mar 14, 2008
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Hailsham area
Playing Lingard on the wing,IMO was not his best position ,behind the main striker is......just so long as we don't HAVE to play the lad every game ,because for one i was not convinced,then Yes........(Please do not compare him with Peter Ward !!!! )
 


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