The world is in one helluva mess and so is this country

[User removed 4]

You're a grown man Bushy, act as such. If you are gonna spout your dull xenophobic nonsense on every thread then people will oppose that shit. If you can't handle that without offering people out then I suggest you go away and calm down a little.

you know full well i can handle people disagreeing with me , its when the level dips to " oh do f*** off you dull wanker " that i take umbrage and get a little touchy, if you cant disagrere with me without stooping to the level thats leads to me offering you out, might i suggest you calm down ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How do you mean work? There's no guarantee it's going to "work" other than electing an official using an pre defined set of parameters. It's not democracy's fault if in your eyes people make the wrong voting decisions. That's human free will for you.

Your other option is revolution, either way you need to organise and get people to agree with your point. If it is as clear cut as you say it is then it shouldn't be a problem.

We have a three party state ( despite what UKIP and the Greens might suggest ) :

Tories - mostly pro-EU
Labour - mostly pro-EU
Lib Dem - completely pro-EU

Given ninety odd percent of people will vote for one of these parties, in many cases because they're stupid enough to state "my father voted for x all his life so I'll vote x all my life" - it's hardly a democracy. Add in that most of the policies of all three main parties are almost identical and we clearly don't have a true democracy.

 

[User removed 4]

This situation is exactly what pisses me off about too much uncontrolled immigration. I wonder how Indians, Pakistanis, Somalis, Nigerians, or Poles would feel if whole districts of their cities were taken over by the English?

standby for someone bringing up the british empire and various historical facts from 200 odd years ago.

 

[daveinprague]

Wow, India, Pakistan and Nigeria gained independence 200 years ago...

 

[Nibble]

you know full well i can handle people disagreeing with me , its when the level dips to " oh do f*** off you dull wanker " that i take umbrage and get a little touchy, if you cant disagrere with me without stooping to the level thats leads to me offering you out, might i suggest you calm down ?

Oh do f*** off you dull wanker.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

C'mon then, goldstone. You were banging on about world peace and harmony earlier.

See this as a more manageable, small-scale project: how are you going to bring peace and harmony between bushy and Nibble?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

We have a three party state ( despite what UKIP and the Greens might suggest ) :

Tories - mostly pro-EU
Labour - mostly pro-EU
Lib Dem - completely pro-EU

Given ninety odd percent of people will vote for one of these parties, in many cases because they're stupid enough to state "my father voted for x all his life so I'll vote x all my life" - it's hardly a democracy. Add in that most of the policies of all three main parties are almost identical and we clearly don't have a true democracy.

As Farage has stated many times, you couldn't get a cigarette paper between them, that is so true.

 

[User removed 4]

Oh do f*** off you dull wanker.

seems i'll have to reiterate what a keyboard warrior you are , who , when fronted , completely and utterly bottles it by offering banal , " grow up we're not in school" type responses.

 

[Nibble]

seems i'll have to reiterate what a keyboard warrior you are , who , when fronted , completely and utterly bottles it by offering banal , " grow up we're not in school" type responses.

Haha . Do calm down Dorothy, stop taking it all so seriously, the second insult was clearly only meant as a piss-take, get a grip man.

 

[User removed 4]

Wow, India, Pakistan and Nigeria gained independence 200 years ago...

For a start you're probably a bit old to be using phrases like " wow", do I really have to explain that my use of the 200 years timescale was when the british empire was being conquered ? Strange how they all wanted us out , but are breaking their necks to come and live here.

 

[User removed 4]

Haha . Do calm down Dorothy, stop taking it all so seriously, the second insult was clearly only meant as a piss-take, get a grip man.

i did realise that after i posted.

 

[Nibble]

Funnily enough I was listening to a radio prog today about the number of immigrants now paying to be smuggled out of the UK to other European countries to try and take advantage of their slackening welfare rules as UK is now tightening up it's regs on welfare.

 

[Nibble]

i did realise that after i posted.

Well, apologies for swearing at you. Anyway, you may find my last post of interest.

 

[daveinprague]

ssshhh dullard...too old to use the word wow?..lol... electric stuff there nerd.....

psst..youre fecking welcome to come to my front door.

 

[User removed 4]

Well, apologies for swearing at you. Anyway, you may find my last post of interest.

oh do f*** off you dull wanker.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Funnily enough I was listening to a radio prog today about the number of immigrants now paying to be smuggled out of the UK to other European countries to try and take advantage of their slackening welfare rules as UK is now tightening up it's regs on welfare.

It must be April 1st lol.

 

[User removed 4]

Funnily enough I was listening to a radio prog today about the number of immigrants now paying to be smuggled out of the UK to other European countries to try and take advantage of their slackening welfare rules as UK is now tightening up it's regs on welfare.

i saw that online as well.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

bushy trying to do humour on NSC. Awkward.

 

[User removed 4]

ssshhh dullard.,,,too old to use the word wow?..lol... electric stuff there nerd.

You struggle with the quote function don't you ?

 

[soistes]

Little or no downward effect on wages or youth unemployment ?? Are you f***ing sure ?? As for your comments on GDP , they are disingenuous to say the least , HERE is some research which says so

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/8206.htm

OK, it's complicated.

On wages, what the bulk of the evidence show is that there is an effect of migration on wages, but that rather reduce wages, what it has done in recent years in the UK, is dampen down the rate of growth of wages. That is, wages have grown (a bit) less fast than they would have in the absence of migration. One positive side effect of this, as many economists argue, is that the lower rate of wage inflation in the last few years, has meant that employment fell much less in the recent recession than it did in previous recessions.

On unemployment, I don't know about "f***ing sure" (where does "f***ing" sit on a scale of 1-10 of being sure?), but that's what I think the balance of evidence shows.
See, for example, the discussion in here, with lots of references to the relevant evidence
Not the Treasury view...: British jobs and foreign workers: today's reports on immigration and unemployment

On GDP, why am I being disingenuous? It's well established that migration in general, and recent migration to the UK in particular has a positive impact on nominal GDP -- a simple supply side effect due to an increase in the workforce. The interesting question is whether it also leads to an increase in GDP per capita -- again some evidence suggests that it does have a (small) positive effect, probably due to the fact that the average migrant is more productive/skilled than the British worker, and that migrants are much more likely than their indigenous counterparts to be in work, and less likely to claim benefits. Their per capita contribution to GDP is higher than that of British residents, and this has a kind of batting average effect on overall GDP per capita.
Even the government's Office of Budget Responsibility acknowledges the positive impact of migration on GDP as this article in today's Independent points out:
The case for migration is a compelling one, dons introspection on election defeat drown it out - Comment - Voices - The Independent (although I wouldn't agree with all the points in her article).

On the positive growth effects of migration, more generally, see:
Not the Treasury view...: Immigration as a growth strategy