i used to think he was a decent ref but seems to be in terminal decline since his horror show in the Europa League final.
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[Albion] Anthony Taylor
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Just catching up on this thread after the weekend, but what did Taylor actually do wrong? Sounds like the red was correct, our pen was correct and their pen wasn't initially given, but VAR then stepped in. Pretty much all the major decisions were right, which is usually the case when both sets of fans are moaning about the ref.
Colonel Mustard
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I and some others (who are in the industry) thought that the PL VAR system will be used to try to conceal and exacerbate existing corruption..
There are no:
The entire system is built to facilitate matchfixing. PL officials make the rules as they go along. Notice how uncontroversial referees are in other sports with transparent systems where everyone is kept in the loop, so there's no real inconsistency.
- Open mikes like in Tennis, Cricket, the NFL where spectators are kept in the loop in realtime. (What's stopping them from doctoring later audio)?
- Managerial reviews of VAR decisions
- Pitchside monitors
- Final decisions with on-field referees
VAR has actually exposed how incompetent/corrupt the referees are. There are decisions they make on VAR then Sunday League referees legitimately wouldn't make.
VAR is not the problem. I'm an Arsenal fan here (though no club bias when it comes to refs). I like going onto other club forums to investigate perceptions on referees. PL refs are obviously the most corrupt refs that I've ever seen in any sport. If you go back to outcomes later found to be rigged (e.g. Calciopoli) you'll realise how ridiculously blatant it is.
Anthony Taylor sending off Dunk was a punishment by the PGMOL for RDZs comments. Referees (wrongly) get abused every single week. Sometimes, you can hear players (even on yellows) abuse referees on camera to this day and 99% it's no action. You'll notice that Taylor likely won't send another off for this reason again the rest of the season (maybe even never again).
There is a reason that you hear a lot from our club about refs (especially being assaulted by other teams under Wenger years). Every time our coach spoke out against referees, the decisions would strangely get worse/more inconsistent/biased.
Take a look at these:
The below is similar to Dunk. I would actually prefer these to be red cards if the referees were always consistent. This is ridiculous because I've seen the same match official let these go as just single yellows in multiple games after this. Common rulebook? Different rules for different teams.
Also this...
Sadio Mane vs Tierney incident Foul 2020 | Mane elbows/ arm in the face of Tierney, but only yellow card | Soccer Blog|Football News, Reviews, Quizzes
This Sadio Mane vs Tierney incident was a controversial one early in the game as Arsenal fans felt the Senegalese winger should’ve been sent off for this foul on Tierney. Mane’s arm catches Tierney in the face- he was only given a yellow card, and ended up scoring the equaliser for the Reds as...www.soccer-blogger.com
10-15 years ago, I never wanted to see it and used to assume that Wenger moaned too much about referees. I later saw that opposition players were allowed to commit professional fouls (last man) and be punished with just a yellow and that they were always allowed to assault our players. Almost every single subjective decision would go against us and referees would strangely make decisions which would in effect dock us points.
I thought that maybe the referees would change when he left, but it got worse (especially in Arteta's second season).
Ze Zerbi (who I love as a coach) like Wenger is an honest and integral man. I personally think that he sees the corruption in the referees. It's very blatant (if you've ever seen games out of matchfixing scandals). The PGMOL do not like VAR because many of these decisions are unjustifiable. Whether you are willing to believe corruption or not (this is 0.5% of what I know about PL referees), you have to seriously wonder why they can't make the system transparent like other sports.
This is above club bias. Other fans and some of my own team love it when other sides get screwed over. Even if it happens to Chelsea (watch Antony Taylor in Chelsea matches... he despises them), Brighton or Newcastle (before Saudi money), I get enraged.
Keith Hackett says that after the Newcastle game, the PGMOL phoned up some pundits telling them to cover for the referees. Don't forget that the broadcasters and pundits have live comms with VAR during games.
Back in the day, Halsey said that he was told to say that he didn't see things in match reports.
Anyways, I have a system of catching out corrupt/biased referees. I come back to forums once in a while to see what people notice based on the following criteria:
1) Every single throw in and corner decision seems to go against you. The referee even punishes your team for foul throws (which happen in every game every week).
2) The referee blows your team for the tiniest of foul but not the opposition
3) The referee allows the opposition team to get away with multiple yellow card challenges (they sometimes do this to wind up your home crowd) then book your own player for their first soft/equivalent offence. It's only after this that they book opposition players to look consistent.
4) The referee deliberately blows for a foul/overzealous to stop a game when your team has the advantage and would rather continue.
5) VAR ignores blatant grabbing pulling from the opposition from set pieces (not talking soft stuff either). I have seen games where a defender has pulled an oppo player by the front of their shirt and their club badge has ended up at the back of the shirt!
6) Blatant violent conduct unexplicably ignored and greenlit by VAR. I'm talking stamping/striking of opposition players off the ball.
7) Referees contradicting the handball law.
i) Giving penalties against you when hands are in natural positions less than a few yards away and blasted at the hand (even if the ball is going off target at times)
ii) Allowing opposition teams to block balls going on target by swiping their hands/throwing them in the air.
8) Allowing certain teams to wipe your forward out with their keeper. Remember Onana on the United game against Wolves? The PGMOL apologised after the game and stated by their own directive/interpretations of the law, that this is always a penalty. This wasn't a pen up to a few years ago but the PGMOL has now decided that it always should be a pen.
9) VAR being inconsistent on which angles are acceptable. VAR is supposed to corroborate a decision on multiple angles when a decision is inconclusive. Often I see the PGMOL defend their referees with this line, however after the game, other broadcasters (especially foreign) who have access to the same cameras that they do, show other angles in highlights that the VAR officials have access to that show an incident in a different light! Sometimes, they decide to use the worst angle on Skysports (setting a narrative) and then you see better ones after the game.
10) The referees would give a big decision against your team and then 'equalise' it later on. It seems fair, however some of these decisions are inexplicable on VAR. Some referees consistently do this (Anthony Taylor). They also seem to be biased in micro decisions such as corners and bookings against the team that has their first injustice before they 'make up for this later'. I notice that it's always the same teams with the first dodgy decision against them.
11) Go online and search your team's record with the match official before the game. Below is Anthony Taylor for Brighton. Depending on whether the ref is for/against your team, you'll notice that you always get certain decisions with certain referees. 2 seasons ago, I noticed that I could mostly predict my team's games on what referees we were assigned. If you have a particularly corrupt/biased few referees, the PGMOL will always repeatedly assign you those refs.
Anthony Taylor - Record by matches of Brighton & Hove Albion
Anthony Taylor » Record by matches of Brighton & Hove Albionwww.worldfootball.net
12) 3PM kick offs - This is one of the simpler and more common sense ways to spot how corrupt referees are. A big reason that the 'smaller' teams generate less outrage from biased refereeing is that fewer games are televised. The most corrupt, inexplicable and egregious refereeing is at 3PM. The decisions 'coincidentally' get far worse when matches aren't televised.
13) Last advice I would say is to never ever listen to TV pundits on refereeing decisions. The best interpretation of the game is with the volume off. We know according to ex-PL referees that the PGMOL use their contact with them to quieten down criticism on their decisions.
Obsessive. And paranoid. What’s next - chemtrails?
boik
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I must admit that I'm not comfortable with the slaughtering of refs either. Their pen might have been soft, but those things happen. You take the rough with the smooth you don't surround the ref and hurl abuse at him like our boys did. Pedro was pushed and then tried to stand up as the forest guy was trying to step over him. Nothing too much to it.
Seagull58
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Lewis Dunk was shown the first red card for dissent in the Premier League for 12 years in Brighton 's win over Nottingham Forest.
The Seagulls had to seal the three points the hard way at the City Ground as they were a man down for the final 20 minutes. Dunk was shown a yellow card for dissent and then a straight red just 12 seconds later.
The last red card for dissent was Lee Cattermole in 2011.
The Seagulls had to seal the three points the hard way at the City Ground as they were a man down for the final 20 minutes. Dunk was shown a yellow card for dissent and then a straight red just 12 seconds later.
The last red card for dissent was Lee Cattermole in 2011.
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
Chelsea fans have always said he was shit. For once, I have to agree with them.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
I'm not sure he was trying to step over him. It looked like he deliberately trod on his back. The subsequent boot in the ribs with the ball in reasonably close vicinity is not really open to interpretation. It was clearly a deliberate boot in the ribs.
If it's "clearly a deliberate boot in the ribs", why doesn't that video show him clearly and deliberately booting Pedro in the ribs?
I've watched that clip loads over the weekend and no matter how many times I watch it all I see is a tussle where the Forest player tries to step over our player and then try and toe poke the ball out from under him because Pedro is trying to shield it.
Barely a foul because Pedro went down super easily, and certainly not a yellow (in my opinion, of course)
Deadly Danson
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Dermot reckons no penalty for the Forest one. Again, VAR have no business getting involved with that decision and that causes all the other issues. Its NOT a clear and obvious error. Dunk was an idiot but its lucky no other player in 12 years in the Premier League has ever called the ref anything insulting.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
In the time it took for VAR to deliberate Forest's penalty on Saturday, we mounted a pretty dangerous attack which may have resulted in a goal. I'm guessing that it would have been ruled out and the game returned to the penalty.
Something like this is going to happen one day, which begs the question should the game be paused whilst the VAR puts on his thick rimmed glasses and makes a guess at what's going on? The penalty was enough to get Dunk sent off, imagine a disallowed goal too....there'd have been a riot!
Something like this is going to happen one day, which begs the question should the game be paused whilst the VAR puts on his thick rimmed glasses and makes a guess at what's going on? The penalty was enough to get Dunk sent off, imagine a disallowed goal too....there'd have been a riot!
Flounce
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The ref apologists on here were suggesting that was OK and not worth a second yellow. As an Albion fan I’d have struggled to argue with the second yellow if it had been an Albion player doing it. Homer ref, that was a deliberate attempt to stop Pedro getting up, he then nudges him in the ribs. No way was the Forest player trying to “step over”…imo
I may, of course, be basing my opinion on how soft most of the bookings we get are.
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kevo
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I thought it was a red. He delibetately treads on his back and then kicks him in the ribs when the ball is nowhere near.
Yeah, the first attempt is ridiculous (you don't try and climb over a player to get the ball, you go around him) and the second is a clear kick. The other angle showed it far better. The ball had gone by the time he moves his foot into JP. No attempt to play for the ball and clear violent conduct.
kevo
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Who was the VAR incidentally? I'm surprised they didn't review it. And as for the lino - he was standing right in front of it!
Graham Scott, who is seemingly being moved away from active duty, only doing two PL games in the middle this season. He reffed us twice last year (0-0 at home v Newcastle, and the 2-3 win at Wolves where he correctly sent off Semedo and had quite a good game if memory serves).
But if they paused the game we wouldn't have been able to mount the subsequent attack. If you're going to pause the game for every VAR check the game will never end. There's loads that get looked at while play is going on that come to nothing, that part actually works.
Publius Ovidius
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I'm no fan of the PL refs but I thought Taylor did alright
Or at the very least was incompetent enough to disadvantage both sides making it an even, if slightly calamitous, performance from him.
Publius Ovidius
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View attachment 170337I'm no fan of the PL refs but I thought Taylor did alright
Or at the very least was incompetent enough to disadvantage both sides making it an even, if slightly calamitous, performance from him.