[Politics] Nicola Sturgeon resigning

[Weststander]

Sounds like they may as well be properly independent then? Why are we all so worried about it. Then they can take the blame/credit for whatever happens.

But most Scots wanted and want to remain in the UK.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

but to pretend that somehow there is no more solid basis for the independence of Scotland than there is for Brighton is just...well...silly

Eh, I thought there was already a peoples republic of Brightonia ?
With it's headquarters at Quaff in Fiveways.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

But most Scots wanted and want to remain in the UK.

You mean those stuck in a time wrap in the big cities up there, still harking back too loyalist ideology.
They will be outnumbered in years to come.

 

[Triggaaar]

The UK`s population is 67.5m of which Scotland represents only 5.5m of that , it would litterally be impossible for them to become self sustaining

Why is that? Other nations are self-sustaining with smaller populations?

 

[highflyer]

I thought you were out .

Lively thread isn't is!

I know. I try not to get sucked into these debates, but don't always succeed.
I really am out now.

 

[TugWilson]

Why is that? Other nations are self-sustaining with smaller populations?

If you take into account the old - the infirm - too young or retired the workforce can`t generate enough capital to pay the bills

Without specifics of which other small nations i am not qualified to give an answer .

 

[beorhthelm]

Sounds like they may as well be properly independent then? Why are we all so worried about it. Then they can take the blame/credit for whatever happens.

agree, pragmatically we're probably better off without them, less subsidy to them would mean more money in England. sad though as histroically we have done so much together.

 

[Triggaaar]

If you take into account the old - the infirm - too young or retired the workforce can`t generate enough capital to pay the bills

Without specifics of which other small nations i am not qualified to give an answer .

I imagine they'd try and tempt big organisations with a lower tax rate. Would Ireland be a good country to compare to?

 

[TugWilson]

I imagine they'd try and tempt big organisations with a lower tax rate. Would Ireland be a good country to compare to?

If you were a big organisation would you look to bolster an economy that has just cut of it`s own subsidies in order to achieve Independence ? . Ireland are one of the wealthiest countries in Europe .

 

[Weststander]

If you take into account the old - the infirm - too young or retired the workforce can`t generate enough capital to pay the bills

Without specifics of which other small nations i am not qualified to give an answer .

The answer is that Scotland would seek vast EU grants.

Fringe nations such as Portugal and Ireland did. Ireland also became a tax haven for huge US multinationals wanting to avoid fair rates of corporation tax on their EU area profits eg Dell and Apple. The SNP pride themselves on being socialist, how would that fit philosophically?

 

[Triggaaar]

If you were a big organisation would you look to bolster an economy that has just cut of it`s own subsidies in order to achieve Independence ?

If you're a big organisation, you look out for yourself, you don't worry about what it does for the country's economy.

Ireland are one of the wealthiest countries in Europe .

And why is that?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Fan-Dabi-Dozi

 

[TugWilson]

The answer is that Scotland would seek vast EU grants.

Fringe nations such as Portugal and Ireland did. Ireland also became a tax haven for huge US multinationals wanting to avoid fair rates of corporation tax on their EU area profits eg Dell and Apple. The SNP pride themselves on being socialist, how would that fit philosophically?

So if i read this correctly the SNP would cut of their subsidies from Westminster only to put out their hand for grants from the EU , and turn down investment from outside multinationals , that`s messed up .

 

[Weststander]

So if i read this correctly the SNP would cut of their subsidies from Westminster only to put out their hand for grants from the EU , and turn down investment from outside multinationals , that`s messed up .

That's a very direct way of putting it, but true .

I don't have a problem with the principle. In a nation or political block, resources are targeted to economically deprived areas, such as Scotland's central belt. Presently under the Barnett Formula arrangements.

 

[TugWilson]

If you're a big organisation, you look out for yourself, you don't worry about what it does for the country's economy.


And why is that?

Surely you would want a secure base of operations , especially as you would be relying on the local workforce to some extent .

I have just looked it up , they have their fingers in a lot of pies , fair play , and they call us the stupid ones

 

[barbus_max bhafc]

Good, most of the UK celebrate

 

[chickens]

She’s been an effective leader for the SNP and I don’t immediately see who will replace her. If she has genuinely just had enough, then I wish her well. Even when disagreeing with her politically, I’ve always felt she believed firmly in the course she set.

I can’t work out if this will be “new leader bounce” for the SNP or good news for Labour at election time.

 

[nicko31]

The Scottish people voted against independence , at that point her job was to respect the Scottish people and the democratic procedure , she wanted another vote because her name would forever be in the history of Scotland . In my opinion that is the very definition of narcissism .

Well I'm no fan of breaking up the UK. But if you recall the Scots were promised by a Tory government to vote NO stay to stay in the EU. Within months of NO vote secured, they embarked on their EU referendum journey to try and save their own party, this having failed to secure a majority government in a generation.

So I can understand the SNP grievance, this has been exacerbated by the English nativist government we're had since that pretends to be Unionist flag shaggers but is anything but...

 

[Simster]

What? No, I'm equating people getting a government they didn't vote for, with other people who get a government they didn't vote for. What's that got to do with history and culture?



You seem to have misread the posts. I made no comment on the people of Brighton wanting independence, we weren't talking about independence, we were talking about people being ruled by a government they didn't vote for. The Scottish people, in case you've forgotten, voted against independence.

You asked the rhetorical question whether Brightonians should get independence like the Scots because like the Scots they don't get the government they voted for.

The answer is no, because Scotland is a country within a union whereas Brighton is a city that has never been independent of England. To compare the two is dumb.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What? No, I'm equating people getting a government they didn't vote for, with other people who get a government they didn't vote for. What's that got to do with history and culture?



You seem to have misread the posts. I made no comment on the people of Brighton wanting independence, we weren't talking about independence, we were talking about people being ruled by a government they didn't vote for. The Scottish people, in case you've forgotten, voted against independence.

They did but that was two years before the Brexit referendum. The Scots feel as though they've been duped as they were told the only way they could be part of the EU was to remain in the UK. Scotland's vote in 2016 was very much to Remain in the EU.

‘Brexit changed everything’: revisiting the case for Scottish independence

Seven years after the referendum, writers including Val McDermid and William Boyd capture the mood of their country, and ask what it would mean to leave the UK

www.theguardian.com