mickthered
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Any chance of a reply to my post on page 6 of this thread or have you conveniently not seen it
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yes certainly.
1) Just because there are no arrests doesnt mean you fans werent over the top and intimidating. Allegations on the Dale forum of players punched (their words not mine), Various pitch invasions and flares isnt really the sort of thing we are used to seeing.
2) If there wasnt bother it was probably because your fans were so intimidating on the pitch etc that Dale wouldnt have dared. Like one of the FC posters said on the dale forum. "You thought we were push overs but you got a shock, we beat you on and off the pitch"
3) Ive never seen 1 coach at Gigg in 28 years ever get its windows smashed and never known any Fc Opponents buses getting done in so cant comment really.
4) Now this is the funniest point you made, maybe you didnt look at the date of the article. The story you posted about Bury having trouble makers was from 15/20 years ago when Andy Preece was manager so when you say we need to get our act in order, considering its from 1990 or so Id like to think weve had time to do so. Not that I can even remember any trouble then. In fact in 28 years of watching Bury Ive never seen a fight at a game.
5) My remark about FC fans causing damage at Dale and someone getting stabbed was an honest post about a PM I got from a dale fan who dosnt normally speak to me on message boards and who went to the game. He basically said your fans were a disgrace and showed very little respect to Rochdale. Yes he could have been lieing but why would a stranger PM me out of the blue to tell me such things?
6) I also dont know of one Bury fan who bought an FC ticket for the FC Dale game but if they did so what. Please dont tell me that one or two wanted to buy tickets so thy could fight with the Dale fans because that would be laughable.
7) Sorry forgot the most important point you made. Yes it is your club and therfore yes you can change the rules but whe it involves fundamental principles which your club was set up on like being against the commercialism of football it is extremely hypocritical to suddenly accept Sky money and the like just becasue it suits you. Yes by all means get your TV money but dont insult our intelligence by making out your against commercialsim. I guarantee if you got in the football league youd have shirt sponsorhsip with 12 months and other commercial ventures. Youd have to otherwise youd never make it pay and youd get relegated.
To add as well as some Bury fans going in the Brighton end there are some that disagree with me and will be going in the home end to support you. Thats fair enough, we all have different views.
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Thank you for acknowledging the complete lack of evidence for your lies.
I have taken the liberty of quoting some of your comments on the Bury forum, where some of your fellow supporters queried why you were advocating going in the away end for the replay as a Bury fan.
In your own words you see FCUM (a non-league club) as competition to Bury. That my friend is a sad reflection on you, and if we're getting under your skin that much your should really see doctor.
Once again - apologies to the Brighton fan's for taking up bandwidth on your forum, and having to read the tripe this idiot peddles. If it's any consolation I'll buy the first Brighton fan I meet at the replay a pint (unless they're a minor, then it's a hot chocolate!)
Lord Bracknell
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Feel free to carry on. And you, Fataddick. NSC loves a heated debate, especially one that delivers a bit of insight into what is going on (or not going on, in the case of bradley1's "insights") elsewhere.
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Publius Ovidius
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Only NSC!
A 4th tier fan arguing intensley with a 8th(?) tier set of fans
A 4th tier fan arguing intensley with a 8th(?) tier set of fans
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OK my personal opinion on FCUM and the whys and wherefores of its formation & existence have been well documented on this and other threads, I'm entitled to that opinion and stand by it but that aside the FCUM fans I met were nice people and they gave a good account of themselves at the match and looked like they were thoroughly enjoying themselves, I can't possibly say that was a bad thing as that would be ridiculous. I am willing to accept that your fans are brilliant and your support fantastic, I can't deny that but it would be nice if some of you FCUM could accept likewise some of the criticism without dismissing it so glibly and out of hand. I guess we'll just have to disagree.
Big apology to the BHA fans for this spat, but Bradley's lies can't go unchallenged.
Just briefly:
1. I know the Manchester Evening News reporter who covers the Rochdale area, and he was told there had been "no incidents other than a couple of cases of drunkenness" on the night of the FCUM match. Stabbings? Riots? Robberies?
2. FCUM fans were annoyed because we had to "sell our shares" - the few FC fans I know who had Utd shared had them for sentimental rteasons, or so they could attend AGMs and make their voices heard. They made no money from them
3. Andy Preece was Bury manager from 2000 to 2003, so the incident referred to was not 15-20 years ago, was it? You really do have a problem with facts and figures.
4. A Boston supporters coach had its rear window smashed DURING a game at Gigg Lane a couple of seasons ago. It turned out to be Bury's youth firm who were seeking revenge for some mither at Boston a couple of seasons earlier. It's the only incidence I know of, in five years, that there has been any form of trouble at Gigg Lane for an FC match.
5. We don't think we invented supporter ownership - we continually mention the debt we owe to AFC Wimbledon for guiding us through the setting up of our club and are active in the Supporters Direct movement which aims at greater supporter involvement. Oh, and Stockport are no longer supporter-owned, Bradders. Do brush up on your facts, eh?
6. We have never been "against commercialism" as you keep saying. We know no football club can survive without money, what we are against is commercialism being at the heart of a club, rather than a means to an end. The switch of the Rochdale game was not an issue, as it did not inconvenience our support.
7. You have no knowledge of Bury fans ever being involved in any fights. You'd better tell "Buryramblers" on this forum then:
Hooligans - The Football Forum - More Than Just A Game
He says: "Bury seem to have a large hooligan element over the last few seasons..
early eighties we didnt..just about ten to twenty.
but this season alone i know they took a double decker bus and a single bus load of hooligans to burton,hoping they had some hooligans,which they didnt have.
they took a coach of hooligans to shrewsbury and alot of other places.
but aint seen much trouble.
the police seem to follow them "
Other than that, you are bang on
We are grateful to Bury for putting us up, even though it was a decision driven by the need for money, but lonkers like Bradders do them a serious disservice.
Won't be long before we're out of your hair and in our own ground
Just briefly:
1. I know the Manchester Evening News reporter who covers the Rochdale area, and he was told there had been "no incidents other than a couple of cases of drunkenness" on the night of the FCUM match. Stabbings? Riots? Robberies?
2. FCUM fans were annoyed because we had to "sell our shares" - the few FC fans I know who had Utd shared had them for sentimental rteasons, or so they could attend AGMs and make their voices heard. They made no money from them
3. Andy Preece was Bury manager from 2000 to 2003, so the incident referred to was not 15-20 years ago, was it? You really do have a problem with facts and figures.
4. A Boston supporters coach had its rear window smashed DURING a game at Gigg Lane a couple of seasons ago. It turned out to be Bury's youth firm who were seeking revenge for some mither at Boston a couple of seasons earlier. It's the only incidence I know of, in five years, that there has been any form of trouble at Gigg Lane for an FC match.
5. We don't think we invented supporter ownership - we continually mention the debt we owe to AFC Wimbledon for guiding us through the setting up of our club and are active in the Supporters Direct movement which aims at greater supporter involvement. Oh, and Stockport are no longer supporter-owned, Bradders. Do brush up on your facts, eh?
6. We have never been "against commercialism" as you keep saying. We know no football club can survive without money, what we are against is commercialism being at the heart of a club, rather than a means to an end. The switch of the Rochdale game was not an issue, as it did not inconvenience our support.
7. You have no knowledge of Bury fans ever being involved in any fights. You'd better tell "Buryramblers" on this forum then:
Hooligans - The Football Forum - More Than Just A Game
He says: "Bury seem to have a large hooligan element over the last few seasons..
early eighties we didnt..just about ten to twenty.
but this season alone i know they took a double decker bus and a single bus load of hooligans to burton,hoping they had some hooligans,which they didnt have.
they took a coach of hooligans to shrewsbury and alot of other places.
but aint seen much trouble.
the police seem to follow them "
Other than that, you are bang on
We are grateful to Bury for putting us up, even though it was a decision driven by the need for money, but lonkers like Bradders do them a serious disservice.
Won't be long before we're out of your hair and in our own ground
No problem with healthy criticism - everyone is entitled to their opinion and if we didn't have dissenting voices then nothing would ever change. One of the strengths of having a member owned club is the challenging of the status quo and people expressing differing opinions. I think you've stated elsewhere you won't be travelling to the replay due to Gus sending the reserves, but if you do I'll happily buy you a pint.
I do have a problem with people peddling lies about our club or other club forums, which is why Bradley has incited such a reaction on this thread.
Thanks for the reply.
Ill give you the Andy preece one. Seemed alot longer than 10 years and I typed it in haste.
As for the hooligan comment. Facts are those lads on those coaches were simply football fans from a pub in town. I knew about 15 of em. That doesnt make them hooligans and whoever posted that obviously was just on a thread which was there for fans to try and glorify hooliganism. many people brag about things like this.
I said Exeter were owned by the fans and I think Stockport are, "think" means Im not sure. Point is your not the first.
As for me lieing. Ive not lied about anything. I was told those things by a Dale fan and what I saw posted on their forum maybe they were lieing then. I even said in my post "If it is true" so how is that a lie?
Did you invade the pitch and light flares in the ground? Yes, So not a lie again.
As for the shareholders. FCUM was set up by shareholders united so how can you now dismiss it so easily and say that only a few were shareholders. yeah the few that started the whole thing?
Dont try telling me you dont reckon you are at the forefront of reshaping football because its constantly talked about and even as early as Saturday I think it was your chairman on BBC Radio manchester saying the FA Cup was a great platform to show the footballing world how clubs should be run.
Whatever you or I believe facts are you turned your back on your club which is poor to say the least. The football club is always bigger than any one person including the owners and even though you may not like Glazer Man Utd as an entity is still unchnaged and I find it hard to understand how you can just walk away from something which is in your blood.
Well never agree because you obviously dont like anyone questioning your loyalty to Man Utd, I undertsand that but I believe fans should always stand by their club.
Like I said well never agree so Ill bid you farewell, leave this forum to the Brighton fans and all the best in building this new ground. Something we both want.
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Publius Ovidius
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right fells, this is now getting tedious.
in a minute someone will come out with the "my willy is bigger than your mum's willy"
so can we agree to disagree and all discuss something different
in a minute someone will come out with the "my willy is bigger than your mum's willy"
so can we agree to disagree and all discuss something different
Dont go Bradley the ticket prices have just been announced for the replay
FCUM Story
Oh dear, that just doesn't fit in too well
FCUM Story
Oh dear, that just doesn't fit in too well
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I personally would'nt mind seeing them at the Amex in a pre season ramp up.
Any carnival atmosphere we will create will be increased 10 fold with that lot in the stadium.
And let 'em all come this time.
Any carnival atmosphere we will create will be increased 10 fold with that lot in the stadium.
And let 'em all come this time.
Return of the Rev
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had about enough of the fc united stuff can we move on
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had about enough of the fc united stuff can we move on
Not me mate - the more I think about it, the more my opinion is bolstered for believing that the FCUM match was one of the most interesting things that has happened to BHAFC in quite a while. In some respects I enjoyed it more than the Man City game 2 seasons ago. It's all about the fans - and as one of the STEWARDS clapping and respecting their behaviour at Withdean, they were IMMENSE.
Personally I was ready for any result, win or lose it is what the cup is about, and the sport in fact. I cannot imagine ANY other league club bringing on a better atmosphere or attitude, and my only wish is that it will be more like that when we play our very own The Amex Stadium.
We've had something inspiring to see, something worth talking about, and nothing about that was negative.
If the return leg can be as quality (and with our travelling fans made welcome), win or lose, I for one will only put this episode down as a positive and memorable cup campaign.
If that's how they make a point re the Manure chairbastards, then bloody good luck to them - we did it many years ago and need reminding what it meant to us back then.
Thanks FCUM fans for your input, and for being top notch fans all round.
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I totally agree with this and felt the same Saturday sat in the 1/4 full family stand, came away feeling like I'd seen something a bit special, judging by the posts regarding new songs and atmosphere, it's had an all round energising effect on our support as well.
But do we need to keep turning over and over the suprise that others can support their team better than us
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