[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
As usual, Susie Dent has a word for it.
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I couldn’t go to my good friend Catfishs funeral because of the rules. That was awful………. Yeah keep laughing Mogg you horrible little ****.
stewart12
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- Jan 16, 2019
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stubbornness, poor leadership? Who knows? I do feel like the right are definitely better at banding together to get the win. Within the Tory party you have some who are close to the centre and some who are pretty far to the right. The left are definitely a bit more narrow and stubborn- look at how many Labour supporters have a pop at Starmer instead of focusing on the crocks of shit sitting opposite him and Corbyn got the same from the centre when he was in charge.
Whilst Greens, SNP and PC are to an extent single issue parties they really aren't that different to Labour and Lib Dems
People moan about Proportional Representation meaning we're left with hung parliaments and minority Governments. Well this whole sorry farce is, for me, a proof that having "strong Governments with big majorities" are essentially a terrible idea. In a world where the Tories were having to rely on the Lib Dems (for example) to do things they'd have never been allowed to get away with any of this.
Based on recent history it will be something immigration-related. Blame some nasty (preferably black/brown) foreigner. Appeal to the basest human instincts. Get the lower class fighting amongst themselves. All part of the ruling class's tool kit.
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HH Brighton
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- Jul 25, 2003
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Eh? There's an actual coalition in Scotland right now between the SNP and the Greens and there's a formal agreement in Wales for the Labour Party and Plaid Cymru to work together.
In the past, there's been a Lab/Lib pact between 1977 and 1978 (and a few earlier than that, but well before my time).
There were also discussions between the parties in 2010 after the election but they came to nothing. Brown was very sceptical of the idea and Clegg was much more in favour of the Tories - I think Starmer and Davey may be more amenable to the idea, but there's still some way to go.
You can be sure that the powers that be (that the media and I suspect Cummings ultimately work for) want Boris gone which is why they are all briefing against him, even the Mail. That video that has surfaced has been sat on someones hard drive for nearly a year just waiting for the moment they needed it. My bet is that they want Gove in to be the new and more obedient puppet, he's been ridiculously quiet over the last few months so I suspect they are trying to keep him as clean as possible. Could even be why No 10/Boris have gone large on the middle class Coke abuser story as they know it drags up Gove dirt.
The problem we are going to have is that a lot of the party were in attendance so it’s going to be hard to find anyone willing to condemn it.
Sickening.
Sickening.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Two things, is anyone really surprised and nothing will come of it.
The Conservative party are utterly disgusting.
The Conservative party are utterly disgusting.
I am amazed some are defending this saying “it doesn’t really matter” - I wish people could take off political party specs. If anyone defending this would also defend it if it was a corbyn government then fine. I doubt many would though. It is similar to this bill restricting protest. Just imagine if corbyn was trying to do this. We have tory MPs saying wearing a mask is a controlling violation but they are happy to vote for this bill! The other day an ex Downing Street adviser was on daily politics saying “I can’t believe they support this. You have to ask how they would feel if the same law was introduced by labour”
We need to look at everything like this - not just defend out of loyalty.
We need to look at everything like this - not just defend out of loyalty.
- Apr 19, 2018
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It was explained to me - with enormous generalisation but perhaps a ring of truth - that the Left is founded on moral principles which are basically part of someone's identity: if you believe it then it's core to who you are and therefore compromise is an attack on your sense of self which is why it doesn't happen often and there is so much in-fighting. If you genuinely believe that proper socialism is the right and only thing worth having then I suppose Starmer will look Tory-lite and voting for that will be against your principles. The Right though is founded on principles of social models so compromise is less personal - there's a broader, more nebulous sense of what is the "correct" thing and as long as policy moves in that general direction it's OK. So the Right will join together if only to stop the Left because it's a threat to their view of what is "correct", compromise is easy because it's not quite so personal, whereas the Left is far less likely to compromise personal principles to stop the Right. I guess this might explain so many Labour supporters not voting for a Corbyn-led government (and some Corbyn supporters being so vocally anti Starmer in a way you just don't seem get in the Tories). After the last US election it was said by someone on the news that the success of Biden's campaign was convincing the Left that getting some of the way towards their aims was better than getting none of the way so he converted the reluctant voters who saw him as just a different type of bad option. That's probably what we need here too.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,348
a fair cop. how well did that Lab/Lib pact work out?
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
What is surprising is that info on who was actually there, photos, etc have not leaked into the public domain. I can't see there being any police investigation - Dick is beholden to Johnson - but if the old bill did get involved a list of attendees should be pretty straight forward. Of course, £10K fines would be hilarious - but establishment wagons are circled now.
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There you go. Vaccine passports and work from home.
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