[Albion] That Wissa Punch

[albionalex]

Funny how opinions differ. Their pen was an obvious one on Saturday, and ours definitely wasn't. Ref didn't need to go to the screen i agree, but laws of the game state drop ball was correct after the pen was given then not given.

Last night Gilmour was clearly trying to prevent play from restarting; wissa swung to swipe the ball from his arm (he's clearly looking at the ball) - something and nothing for me as others have said on this thread. Was hardly a punch - again lots of blue and white tinted specs on here over this

Only if the ref blew for the pen before the ball went out for the corner. Which he didn't.

 

[albionalex]

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"On first view it seems a wonder how Wissa's card wasn't upgraded to a red by the VAR, but when you look closer at the specifics of the case it becomes clear.

The violent conduct law says a player who "deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible."

Gilmour holds onto the ball to prevent the restart of play, for which he too would receive a caution. In trying to get the ball back, Wissa makes an attempt to knock it out of the Brighton & Hove Albion player's arm by bringing his hand down. In the process, Wissa inadvertently brushes the face of Gilmour with his fingers.

Wissa isn't attempting to deliberately strike Gilmour in the face, nor is there force involved, so the VAR was right not to intervene in this accidental situation."

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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A look back at possible penalty situations for Arsenal against Luton Town, plus a series of incidents in victories for Liverpool and Manchester United. Plus, should Brentford's Yoane Wissa have been sent off?

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"On first view it seems a wonder how Wissa's card wasn't upgraded to a red by the VAR, but when you look closer at the specifics of the case it becomes clear.

The violent conduct law says a player who "deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible."

Gilmour holds onto the ball to prevent the restart of play, for which he too would receive a caution. In trying to get the ball back, Wissa makes an attempt to knock it out of the Brighton & Hove Albion player's arm by bringing his hand down. In the process, Wissa inadvertently brushes the face of Gilmour with his fingers.

Wissa isn't attempting to deliberately strike Gilmour in the face, nor is there force involved, so the VAR was right not to intervene in this accidental situation."

The fingers were tucked in, making it a fist because he wanted to punch the ball. The ball was level with Gilmour's chest, but the fist hit Gilmour's chin.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Do I want to see those incidents given as reds? No not really?
Would it have been a red if Gilmour made a fuss? Yes 100%
Do I want us to become a Fulham / Villa type cynical side? No

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The fingers were tucked in, making it a fist because he wanted to punch the ball. The ball was level with Gilmour's chest, but the fist hit Gilmour's chin.

So you agree the action wasn’t intentional. Therefore it’s a yellow; ref got it right.

 

[JBizzle]

There is no ‘fingertips’. It’s a fist. Knuckles.

The ‘intention’ argument is irrelevant. He connects with Billy’s face.

It's clearly a slap, not a punch unless his fist is six inches long... Either way, slap or punch, its a red.

 

[GT49er]

Sorry, but I'm just not very outraged. Bad fan!

 

[Littlemo]

The fingers were tucked in, making it a fist because he wanted to punch the ball. The ball was level with Gilmour's chest, but the fist hit Gilmour's chin.

Yeah this is how I saw it as well.

I get people not thinking it’s a punch because there isn’t much power behind it, but he’s made a fist with his hand and hit his face, so it’s a punch, even if it is a soft one.

I really don’t get people saying Wissa was going for the ball though. It’s not like the ball was there and Gilmour moved it, the ball was on his other side, not near his face at all and Wissa’s hand was never anywhere near the ball to get it.

I don’t think intent matters anymore. Hitting someone with your fist like that should always be a red.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yeah this is how I saw it as well.

I get people not thinking it’s a punch because there isn’t much power behind it, but he’s made a fist with his hand and hit his face, so it’s a punch, even if it is a soft one.

I really don’t get people saying Wissa was going for the ball though. It’s not like the ball was there and Gilmour moved it, the ball was on his other side, not near his face at all and Wissa’s hand was never anywhere near the ball to get it.

I don’t think intent matters anymore. Hitting someone with your fist like that should always be a red.

100%

 

[Publius Ovidius]

To be fair, if gillmour goes down like that after a light brush of his face, I don’t fancy his chances in many Brighton pubs.

vinni jones would be spinning in his grave ( if he were deceased)

 

[5Ways Gull]

Think if Gilmour had gone a bit more Fulhamesque Wissa would have had to go!

 

[Perry Milkins]

Blimey. What pubs do you frequent?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Is a Wissa Punch used to make holes in apology letters from PGMOL to make it easier to file them?

 

[Worried Man Blues]

It's the same as a foul. Went for the ball misses hits the face, off you go sonny!!!

 

[LamieRobertson]

Gilmour lifts the ball away with one hand, in doing so the ball literally touched his own upper arm, shoulder. Gilmour then moved the ball behind himself. In short the ball was near his face.

Barely…..I’d add if i wanted to grab the ball back i would be using both hands….moving towards the person so i was closer and not having the one arm fully extended at face level…the ball was not at any stage face level

 

[Simster]

Do I want to see those incidents given as reds? No not really?
Would it have been a red if Gilmour made a fuss? Yes 100%
Do I want us to become a Fulham / Villa type cynical side? No

Exactly this. Anyone talking like this was some sort of menacing punch really is clueless. He clearly went to get the ball out of WBG's hands, missed it and barely stroked Gilmour's chin.

I am glad VAR didn't look at it and I'm glad Gilmour didn't make a meal of it. The correct way forward is to just get on with the games lads.

 

[Audax]

Personally, my first instinct on seeing it on the TV last night was that Wissa's initial intent was violent, but he realised just-barely-in-time how stupid he was being and pulled it / modified it just enough to get away with it.

 

[AlbionBro]

Wissa swing was instinctive and wrong, straight red. I bet he is relieved he appears to got away with it, without penalty too. Gilmore never makes a fuss which I love but, the Albion paid the price for him being so straight.

 

[The Fits]

My feeling then and now is that it has to be a red but that it would also be very harsh. A harsh red is still a red.
Love Billy though, no fuss, just gets on, super kid.

 

[BN41Albion]

Just watched it. Looks a lot of fuss about nothing. I do wish people would try and be a bit more reasonable/impartial when slagging off referees. If that had been the other way round and Wissa was holding the ball, you'd all be having a go at him for trying to delay the free kick when we're a goal behind, and that Gilmour never intended to make contact with his face.

Absolutely this