SIR Alex Ferguson is a power crazed old ....

[Dandyman]

its not spin. i didnt say it was a slur on mixed race people. i just hate the fact that he, like cole, was raised by predominately white family and he thinks its ok to imply that having 'white' characteristics, is somehow negative. also how uncomfortable in your own skin must you have to be to go down that road.

If I thought he was saying that, I would agree with you. However his comment seemed more to do with the allegation that Cole would do anything to fit in and would avoid putting himself on the line if he put himself in a position of potential conflict with the powerbrokers at Chelski.

 

[User removed 4]

Nice bit of spin - the "choc ice" comments clearly means someone who is one thing on the outside and another on the inside. Ferdinand has always acknowledged that he was raised by a white mother and seems close to her so I doubt it's a slur on mixed race people.

You really really arent stupid enough to believe this, you're lying if you say you do.

 

[Dandyman]

it might be, but no one is asking that here, just having at a knock at someone who is supporting the campaign. curious what the reaction would be if Ferguson accepted Ferdinand's decision after his comments about it. also wonder the reaction if some white players backed this boycott...

so is it time to ditch it, apparently its not working and those its suppose to be in aid of are rejecting it.

Brian McDermott did speak to Jason Roberts: BBC Sport - Sir Alex Ferguson to Rio Ferdinand over Kick It Out protest and did say he understood and respected his reasons for not wearing the t-shirt. Clearly it is the reason for not wearing the t-shirt rather than the act of not wearing it that is important.

 

[User removed 4]

If I thought he was saying that, I would agree with you. However his comment seemed more to do with the allegation that Cole would do anything to fit in and would avoid putting himself on the line if he put himself in a position of potential conflict with the powerbrokers at Chelski.

oh do f*** off , you're being beyond ridiculous now.

 

[Dandyman]

You really really arent stupid enough to believe this, you're lying if you say you do.

I think it's a clumsy phrase but it obviously means an Uncle Tom. The issue of whether or not people have collective responsibilities in these situations is slightly different IMO.

 

[Dandyman]

oh do f*** off , you're being beyond ridiculous now.

Really ? There are not a group of very powerful players at Chelski then and Cole would not have any fears about people talking about his private life for example ?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

It certainly isnt specific to mixed race people, its an insinuation that someone is black on the outside and white on the inside , its a racist term because it implies you should behave and have characteristics according to your skin colour,its actually frightening that you have been patronised so much that you dont actually realise or acknowledge this.

I think you've misread what I've said although, looking back, I get that the sentence could be read in two ways. 'When used in the presence of people of mixed race...' would have been clearer. Apologies.

Your apparent dislike for people behaving 'according' to some fixed idea of how people of their skin colour should behave seems at odds with your common assertion on NSC that the white working class should stand up for the rights of white working class folk and that there is nothing racist in that.

 

[El Presidente]

Very good.

Am I the only one who got this?

I think so!

 

[User removed 4]

Really ? There are not a group of very powerful players at Chelski then and Cole would not have any fears about people talking about his private life for example ?

He called him a choc ice to imply he was black on the outside and white on the inside,and that he should have shown solidarity with the black man anton ferdinand against the white man john terry, it is f***ing comical the way you are making absolutely outlandish statements about groups of players at chelsea and the like, it really is very simple, why you are so desparately twisting and turning to avoid acknowledging this is a mystery to me, perhaps you just cant face the unpalatable fact that race relations is now very much an industry in this country that is well past its sell by date.

 

[User removed 4]

I think so!

of course he wasnt , and i will bet that the said player was black , moralee is the original wigga.

 

[Dandyman]

He called him a choc ice to imply he was black on the outside and white on the inside,and that he should have shown solidarity with the black man anton ferdinand against the white man john terry, it is f***ing comical the way you are making absolutely outlandish statements about groups of players at chelsea and the like, it really is very simple, why you are so desparately twisting and turning to avoid acknowledging this is a mystery to me, perhaps you just cant face the unpalatable fact that race relations is now very much an industry in this country that is well past its sell by date.

The implication is that Cole failed to speak out about racism because he did not want to upset Terry. It's a simple enough concept.

 

[User removed 4]

The implication is that Cole failed to speak out about racism because he did not want to upset Terry. It's a simple enough concept.

Simple concept it may be , it's also total and utter bollocks, why didnt he just say that then ? why the choc ice comment ?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Simple concept it may be , it's also total and utter bollocks, why didnt he just say that then ? why the choc ice comment ?

He was responding to a tweet that had the 'choc ice' phrase.

 

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He was responding to a tweet that had the 'choc ice' phrase.

i know he was i was referring to the original "tweeter" , ferdinand also endorsed the orginal tweet.

 

[Dandyman]

Simple concept it may be , it's also total and utter bollocks, why didnt he just say that then ? why the choc ice comment ?

So the phrase "f@cking Black c@nt" is not racist then ?

 

[Questions]

He called him a choc ice to imply he was black on the outside and white on the inside,and that he should have shown solidarity with the black man anton ferdinand against the white man john terry,

The point is you side with the guy who is in the right and if that is the case then Ferdinand is a nob for expecting Cole just to come down on Antons side purely because of colour.

 

[Dandyman]

The point is you side with the guy who is in the right and if that is the case then Ferdinand is a nob for expecting Cole just to come down on Antons side purely because of colour.

The FA suggested that Cole's evidence had "evolved" to suit Terry's defence. Hard to see how that places him in the right.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Perhaps he just forgot to wear the T shirt, like the way he forgot to be available for a drugs test.

Perhaps he was wondering who was the United player being sucked off in a Manchester nightclub toilet by the whore who shagged Rooney, whilst said player's agent stuck a finger up her arse. Does that sound Moralee repugnant?

Jamie?

 

[Pevenseagull]

Very good.

Am I the only one who got this?

missed it

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

The FA suggested that Cole's evidence had "evolved" to suit Terry's defence. Hard to see how that places him in the right.

It doesn't. However, Questions' point about Ferdinand being on shaky ground in wanting Cole to demonstrate what might be termed 'racial loyalty' still holds.