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Knotty

Well-known member
Feb 5, 2004
2,421
Canterbury
Sorry, but I don't agree that we should be rewarded for watching football at Withdean.

We knew what it was like at the outset and no-one forced us to go.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Withdean but what were the options. It was better than staying at Gillingham, wasn't it?

The prices have been what the club deemed to be viable considering the costs of playing there and we all made a choice, pay it or not. Plenty haven't.

As for relating the cost of a ticket to the standard of football, when did buying a ticket ever guarantee attractive or successful football?
 


drew

Drew
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Oct 3, 2006
24,440
Burgess Hill
Perhaps these prices reflect the amount of the annual TV money that each club diverts to the general running costs?

Blackburn also have Jack Walker's legacy to call upon, you might expect Arsenal to be high as they have the stadium to pay for, Fulham's capacity isn't great and Tottenham have "Harry's" economics to contend with.

In the end, gate receipts are not the major source of revenue for any Premier League club, in the Football League (certainly in FL1 and FL2) they are.

I agree with everything you say. I was just comparing paying £1400 for a slightly larger seat and the right to sit or stand in a nice lounge before, during and after a game of potentially league one football with the cost of watching premier league football.

For those who can and are happy to pay over the odds for a more hospitality-like experience I do think the platinum seats are good value.

What do I mean when I say we pay over the odds? well I think £400 or £500 for division 3 football of varying quality is definitely to high. However there have been very obvious reasons for our high prices with the constant battle for Falmer and reduced revenue generating opportunities at Withdean have meant we needed to pay more to generate income keep the club going.

I would like to think at Falmer with the need to get considerably more bums on seats than we have at present, no more court cases, increased revenues from non match ticket sources, that yes we would see some sort of reduction in prices. To be honest I think we deserve it.

Do I really think that will happen, hand on heart and with a deep sigh, I would say no. But I can always hope.

I agree with you on those points and have previously argued in support of the prices, due to those reasons you state, against those that keep banging on about reducing prices to £15 or £10 etc. And I agree that I don't see the club doing any real favours to those supporters that have suffered the worst ground for over 10 years for what could amount to the price of a pretty average player, especially when we are supposed to have millions in the fighting fund now.

Sorry, but I don't agree that we should be rewarded for watching football at Withdean.

We knew what it was like at the outset and no-one forced us to go.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Withdean but what were the options. It was better than staying at Gillingham, wasn't it?

The prices have been what the club deemed to be viable considering the costs of playing there and we all made a choice, pay it or not. Plenty haven't.

As for relating the cost of a ticket to the standard of football, when did buying a ticket ever guarantee attractive or successful football?

The reward is based on the fact that we now have millions supporting the club and a reduction in ticket prices isn't going to bankrupt the club as it would have done a few years ago!
 




Rev in a priest field

Sorry, but I don't agree that we should be rewarded for watching football at Withdean.

We knew what it was like at the outset and no-one forced us to go.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Withdean but what were the options. It was better than staying at Gillingham, wasn't it?

The prices have been what the club deemed to be viable considering the costs of playing there and we all made a choice, pay it or not. Plenty haven't.

As for relating the cost of a ticket to the standard of football, when did buying a ticket ever guarantee attractive or successful football?

:thumbsup: HAD A SEASON TICKET AT GILLINGHAM NOT BOTHERED AT WITHDEAN,BETTER ATMO:clap:
 




Pantani

Il Pirata
Dec 3, 2008
5,446
Newcastle
I agree with everything you say. I was just comparing paying £1400 for a slightly larger seat and the right to sit or stand in a nice lounge before, during and after a game of potentially league one football with the cost of watching premier league football.



I agree with you on those points and have previously argued in support of the prices, due to those reasons you state, against those that keep banging on about reducing prices to £15 or £10 etc. And I agree that I don't see the club doing any real favours to those supporters that have suffered the worst ground for over 10 years for what could amount to the price of a pretty average player, especially when we are supposed to have millions in the fighting fund now.



The reward is based on the fact that we now have millions supporting the club and a reduction in ticket prices isn't going to bankrupt the club as it would have done a few years ago!

You are assuming that NSC rumours of massive player budgets are true. This may not be the case. Our reward for putting up with Withdean has been three promotions, barely any seasons of midtable mediocrity and the hope of a bright future under Gus, not a few quid off the price of a season ticket.
 


Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
25,019
Guiseley
These threads make me :facepalm:

For a start, it's been stated over and over again that season ticket holders would get first dibs at Falmer. I'm just hoping, as I said previously, that there's a section for people who don't want to leave ten minutes before then end of each half for me to get first dibs in.
 


.........The reward is based on the fact that we now have millions supporting the club and a reduction in ticket prices isn't going to bankrupt the club as it would have done a few years ago!

Provided the club is self financing then fine BUT we are not. If you look at the annual acccounts for the previous "X" years then we have made a considerable annual loss apart from when Celtic bought AV. These losses were covered mostly by the current chairman and then effectively "written off" when they were converted into stock/shares giving Tony Bloom control of the club.
TB has said that he will cover the cost of the Falmer build (although on paper that is repayable in 2025?), will underwrite the costs associated with playing at Withdean until 2011 but apart from that the BHA is to be self-financing. Overall he looks to be putting £90M+ of his own money into the club but underwritng a reduction in ticket prices is not part of the deal. Personally, I agree with him that the club/business must finance itself; this is something I don't think it's ever done in the 50 years I've been watching the Albion. Many of us look fondly back at the Bamber/Mullery years but in hindsight they were a financial nightmare with the club reliant upon Mike Bamber's personal wealth which ultimately led (imo) to financial instability, winding up orders, Bill Archer, Hereford, Gillingham and Withdean.
If the Albion were to use TB's money to subsidise revenue expenditure then it may well lead to a similar situation to that at Selhurst where, however well meaning Simon Jordan was, he has landed Palace in the mire by doing just that.
 




rool

Well-known member
Jul 10, 2003
6,031
Just a quick check of some premiership prices,

Blackburn - highest price £369
Tottenham - highest price £1175
Aston Villa - highest price £550
Everton - highest price £614
Fulham - highest price £849
Arsenal - £925 lower tier (but includes 7 cup games)


Makes you think.

Bad fan alert - This morning I purchased a season ticket for Fulham for £349. It could have been as low as £285 but it would have been in an uncovered seat. I will be living just a couple of underground stops away.

I thought about a Brighton one but the price of the ticket and then the travel costs on top put me off.

Once the family join me in a year and we are living a bit nearer I'll probably get a ST back at the albion.
 


The Oldman

I like the Hat
NSC Patron
Jul 12, 2003
7,220
In the shadow of Seaford Head
Provided the club is self financing then fine BUT we are not. If you look at the annual acccounts for the previous "X" years then we have made a considerable annual loss apart from when Celtic bought AV. These losses were covered mostly by the current chairman and then effectively "written off" when they were converted into stock/shares giving Tony Bloom control of the club.
TB has said that he will cover the cost of the Falmer build (although on paper that is repayable in 2025?), will underwrite the costs associated with playing at Withdean until 2011 but apart from that the BHA is to be self-financing. Overall he looks to be putting £90M+ of his own money into the club but underwritng a reduction in ticket prices is not part of the deal. Personally, I agree with him that the club/business must finance itself; this is something I don't think it's ever done in the 50 years I've been watching the Albion. Many of us look fondly back at the Bamber/Mullery years but in hindsight they were a financial nightmare with the club reliant upon Mike Bamber's personal wealth which ultimately led (imo) to financial instability, winding up orders, Bill Archer, Hereford, Gillingham and Withdean.
If the Albion were to use TB's money to subsidise revenue expenditure then it may well lead to a similar situation to that at Selhurst where, however well meaning Simon Jordan was, he has landed Palace in the mire by doing just that.

Wise words Alex.
 


Djmiles

Barndoor Holroyd
Dec 1, 2005
12,074
Kitchener, Canada
The one BIG chance they had to maximise interest in Falmer by introducing deals on season tickets, and they have blown it big-time by INCREASING prices. So much for going out with a bang, the stadium will be half full as per usual. The club have had years to think about this and they have come up....priority for Falmer? Hardly going to pull the crowds in is it? Oh well.
 




The one BIG chance they had to maximise interest in Falmer by introducing deals on season tickets, and they have blown it big-time by INCREASING prices. So much for going out with a bang, the stadium will be half full as per usual. The club have had years to think about this and they have come up....priority for Falmer? Hardly going to pull the crowds in is it? Oh well.

Agreed but they are probably banking on the Poyet factor to draw in the crowds.

If thiings start like this season then it won't be such a success.

IMO current STH's should have had some sort of pricing incentive for the dross we have had to ensure for the last couple of seasons.
 


Djmiles

Barndoor Holroyd
Dec 1, 2005
12,074
Kitchener, Canada
Agreed but they are probably banking on the Poyet factor to draw in the crowds.

If thiings start like this season then it won't be such a success.

IMO current STH's should have had some sort of pricing incentive for the dross we have had to ensure for the last couple of seasons.

It's not current STH's that are the problem. A lot of them like myself will probably not be overly bothered by a £10-15 increase in prices over the season considering we already pay £420+ for the privilege and will go ahead and renew anyway.

This would have been a fantastic opportunity to lure back old STH's who got fed up of Withdean, or reel in new STH's who might have been tempted with a Falmer incentive (Last year at Withdean and first year at Falmer for say £700, something to tempt people in to enduring Withdean for one more year).

There is an AMAZING stadium going up, and there's a brilliant opportunity to cash in on the feel good factor going round at the moment.

Let's just hope the club have something up their sleeves regarding prices for Falmer.
 


It's not current STH's that are the problem. A lot of them like myself will probably not be overly bothered by a £10-15 increase in prices over the season considering we already pay £420+ for the privilege and will go ahead and renew anyway.

This would have been a fantastic opportunity to lure back old STH's who got fed up of Withdean, or reel in new STH's who might have been tempted with a Falmer incentive (Last year at Withdean and first year at Falmer for say £700, something to tempt people in to enduring Withdean for one more year).

There is an AMAZING stadium going up, and there's a brilliant opportunity to cash in on the feel good factor going round at the moment.

Let's just hope the club have something up their sleeves regarding prices for Falmer.

What makes you think that the club are in any position atm to apply accurate costings to the Falmer stadium and therefore able to come up with ST prices that reflect these costs? A decent business does not run on the basis of guesswork and hope, that is how Simon Jordan operated at Crystal Palace.
Btw, how would you pick a seat now, I certainly wouldn't buy one "off plan"?
 




Kenhead

New member
Oct 1, 2003
7,054
Brighton
I had forgotten that i brought last years one after the cut off point, so even if i were to do the 5 instalments policy (which i probably will) I'm still paying less than last year, so can't really moan at that.
 


Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
62,795
Location Location
The one BIG chance they had to maximise interest in Falmer by introducing deals on season tickets, and they have blown it big-time by INCREASING prices.

Not quite sure how you equate cutting prices at Withdean for the final season to that somehow increasing interest in Falmer. Its not like you need a season ticket at Withdean next year to realise there's a spectacular brand new stadium in the offing a couple of miles away ready for the following season.

Interest in Falmer is ALREADY building, because people can see those sweeping white arches going up. I've had friends and workmates asking me about the new stadium, when its going to be ready, and several (who have NEVER had an Albion season ticket in their lives) saying they're seriously considering getting one at Falmer.

These people don't need to have a cheapo £250 season ticket to Withdean to entice them to Falmer. We're building it - they will come.
 


Daddies_Sauce

Falmer WSL, not a JCL
Jun 27, 2008
920
Whilst it's 'only' a 3% increase and we should be 'grateful' for that, the club need to be reminded we are paying over the odds for division 3 football, and we all know the limitations of Withdean.

Sunderland's prices are on a par with those for Withdean and that’s premiership football. They do not penalise their supporters for taking advantage of a “Price Plan” to spread the costs, the following taken from this years release.

“Anyone who renews or buys a new season card before April 3 can also take advantage of an interest-free direct debit scheme that allows them to spread the cost of their seat over an eight-month period.”

With renewed optimism following yet another year of ‘survival’ in the 3rd tier, we need to remember that promotion is not a foregone conclusion, it will be a long hard fight, and at the end we may well miss out. I’m already stretched with my available ‘cash’, and I’m dreading that I will be priced out of Falmer.
 


Lady Whistledown

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Jul 7, 2003
48,617
We'll have 22,000 seats to fill at Falmer. How can they NOT reduce prices for the first season?

We'll be going from a stadium holding just under 9,000 which has rarely been full (to its current capacity). Do the club think another 10,000 people in the Sussex area are just going to find over £400 spare and come running?

So much of the Withdean ticket cost, or so we're told, comes down to the exaggerated overheads caused by the restrictions of playing at Withdean. Therefore I can only assume that those won't apply to the same extent at Falmer, ergo ticket prices should be less.

Clubs like Huddersfield encourage good crowds by having cheeky offers on season ticket prices. Consequently they average 13,000-14,000 at home where previously they got 9,000 or so in. Likewise Bradford City- averaging 11,000 in the fourth division.

We need to do the same. It's simple supply and demand.
 




Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
21,879
The arse end of Hangleton
Still, the increase in revenue will probably be enough to cover the money spent on Liam Dickinson.

What an absolute bloody shambles.

Shittest ground in the league.
Most ridiculous ticket prices in the league.

And we've still got another season to go.

Anyone who things we're going to sell out Falmer for the entire opening season needs a reality check at those prices.

Oh do give it a rest. The costs of running matches at Withdean are the same ( or higher ) so why the hell would the club reduce prices as a "reward". The directors have been covering the losses themselves out of their own pockets for the last ten years - how much have you personably put into the club in that time to help cover the losses ( above your season ticket price ) ? Hmmmm ..... my guess - f*** all !

3% seems quite reasonable to me and I'd rather they did that than get into financial trouble. You're just an ungrateful sod !!!!
 


El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
40,207
Pattknull med Haksprut
Oh do give it a rest. The costs of running matches at Withdean are the same ( or higher ) so why the hell would the club reduce prices as a "reward". The directors have been covering the losses themselves out of their own pockets for the last ten years - how much have you personably put into the club in that time to help cover the losses ( above your season ticket price ) ? Hmmmm ..... my guess - f*** all !

3% seems quite reasonable to me and I'd rather they did that than get into financial trouble. You're just an ungrateful sod !!!!

Spot on. We are ALL paying the price for the asset stripping and manipulation of Archer and Co.
 


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