Ronnie Biggs Dies

[Simster]

That's your prerogative.

The only person who holds him in any sort of high regard appears to be you. And that is your prerogative, although your reasons appear laughable. i.e. that he was running from a long jail term.

You remind me of Captain Rum in Blackadder:

Edmund: I was under the impression that it was common maritime practice for a ship to have a crew.
Rum: Opinion is divided on the subject.
Edmund: Oh, really?
Rum: Yesss. All the other captains say it is; I say it isn't.
Edmund: Oh, God; Mad as a brush.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Wonder if he had any of the money left?

I think he spent it all , he came back to the UK from Brazil because he needed medical treatment.

 

[The Kid Frankie]

The only person who holds him in any sort of high regard appears to be you..

I make you right - on this site. Where a majority of posters also seem to agree that people deserve to be sent to prison for throwing a punch at a football match...

Won't be losing any sleep for being in a minority on here.

 

[The Kid Frankie]

I think he spent it all , he came back to the UK from Brazil because he needed medical treatment.

He spent it all long before he got to Brazil... He didn't come back because he needed medical treatment that is horse shit.

 

[Worthingite]

I make you right - on this site. Where a majority of posters also seem to agree that people deserve to be sent to prison for throwing a punch at a football match...

Won't be losing any sleep for being in a minority on here.

But they do....That would be common assault? Or am I missing something?!?!

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

He spent it all long before he got to Brazil... He didn't come back because he needed medical treatment that is horse shit.

He certainly never spent any of it attending his sons funeral ,the dirty,wife beating c*nt.

 

[topbanana36]

Only a week or so ago people were celebrating the life,of a person who was responsible for 100s of deaths, now today a petty thief,who got lucky,died,and people say what a bad guy he was........

Careful, your are not allowed to mention such things like necklacing, bombing or writing books on how to be a good communist.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

already planning a minutes applause in the boozer i will be in

i wonder where that might be
regards
DR

 

[Rogero]

He was not mentioned in tonight's programme.

 

[The Kid Frankie]

He was not mentioned in tonight's programme.

What the BBC drama? You sure? A fringe character definately but he had lines and was called by name a few times.

 

[BN9 BHA]

That pub must be a special kind of shithole.

Special indeed. Will be full to the brim of genuine blokes I would trust my life with

I'm guessing this pub is NOT in Newhaven!!

 

[clapham_gull]

Quite randomly my Uncle met him last year. In the back of an Ambulance.

Both being taken home from a hospital visit.

 

[Binney on acid]

Thank god for that. He can't ponce off the NHS anymore, having contributed virtually nothing in his lifetime.

 

[Napper]

Only a week or so ago people were celebrating the life,of a person who was responsible for 100s of deaths, now today a petty thief,who got lucky,died,and people say what a bad guy he was........

Quite

 

[The Large One]

I make you right - on this site. Where a majority of posters also seem to agree that people deserve to be sent to prison for throwing a punch at a football match...

Won't be losing any sleep for being in a minority on here.

How is life in the middle of a badly-written gangster novel?

Failed Walter Mitty characters with no sense of morality, justice or consideration, trying to live out a fantasy everyone else laughs at.

 

[The Large One]

Only a week or so ago people were celebrating the life,of a person who was responsible for 100s of deaths, now today a petty thief,who got lucky,died,and people say what a bad guy he was........

Interesting take on the whole concept of reality and fantasy.

 

[Bold Seagull]

British culture is steeped in hypocritical morality. It's part of our DNA.

Robin Hood, Dick Turpin, Spring Heeled Jack. The Cheddington Train Robbery (it was the press and public interest that made it 'great') was at a time of anti-establishment feeling and railing against the ruling classes. What does the judge say "Let us clear out of the way any romantic notions of daredevilry" as if to ignite the very notion in the public consciousness. So the establishment upon realising this growing public and media lauding of the crime makes an example with the sentencing thus creating the legend.

Rallying against Reynolds or Biggs after their death as if they somehow created or deserved their legend, or were even part of it is entirely missing the point really. They are merely characters now of a great British tradition of celebrating a particular moment in time when one in the eye for the establishment was seen as something almost heroic. That their characterisation of cheeky chappies on a crime caper bares no resemblance to their actual selves or actions is neither here nor there.

It was a moment in our cultural history that then stirred those old feelings of Turpin and Hood. Trying to objectively reason that against what was a brutal crime against an individual, and a collection of career criminals with plenty of victims behind them is not easily done or easy to understand, but showing hatred to Biggs only feeds the mythology as much as those that celebrate him.

 

[carlzeiss]

Christmas No 1, we're off. Offered 100/1, by the time I got my tenner out it had shortened to 50s, still it's a drink. get downloading people otherwise you'll get Sam Bailey (who ever he is)

Rather controversial lyrics in that 45

 

[The Kid Frankie]

British culture is steeped in hypocritical morality. It's part of our DNA.

Robin Hood, Dick Turpin, Spring Heeled Jack. The Cheddington Train Robbery (it was the press and public interest that made it 'great') was at a time of anti-establishment feeling and railing against the ruling classes. What does the judge say "Let us clear out of the way any romantic notions of daredevilry" as if to ignite the very notion in the public consciousness. So the establishment upon realising this growing public and media lauding of the crime makes an example with the sentencing thus creating the legend.

Rallying against Reynolds or Biggs after their death as if they somehow created or deserved their legend, or were even part of it is entirely missing the point really. They are merely characters now of a great British tradition of celebrating a particular moment in time when one in the eye for the establishment was seen as something almost heroic. That their characterisation of cheeky chappies on a crime caper bares no resemblance to their actual selves or actions is neither here nor there.

It was a moment in our cultural history that then stirred those old feelings of Turpin and Hood. Trying to objectively reason that against what was a brutal crime against an individual, and a collection of career criminals with plenty of victims behind them is not easily done or easy to understand, but showing hatred to Biggs only feeds the mythology as much as those that celebrate him.

Good post.

 

[The Kid Frankie]

How is life in the middle of a badly-written gangster novel?.

Peachy mate. Intrigued to know how you know what kind of life I lead?