[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[dsr-burnley]

Says the MP holding a 900 vote majority, with the Conservatives and Reform combined, banking 7,000 more votes. I wonder what drove him to come out with his statement?

To be fair to Hinder, he lives in a constituency with a lot of immigrants. He's in the unusual position of being a Labour MP with hardly any Labour borough or county councillors in his constituency. All the Labour councillors in Pendle resigned over the Israel-Hamas war and Labour hasn't been able to reinstate its foothold on the council - the independents have all retained their seats as they came up. (Ribble Valley has a few Labour councillors but I don't know which parliamentary constituency they are in.)

Part of the reason Hinder won was that the Moslem vote did not turn out for the anti-Israel candidate in anything like the numbers it did elsewhere. He's risking quite a lot on them not taking offence now.

 

[dsr-burnley]

At the time, I don't think that Winston Churchill envisaged a time when it would be under threat from British Fascists through the ballot box

There's two reasons for that. One, he would have used the definition of fascist from the 1940's which is very different from the definition of fascist that you choose to use. Two, he didn't envisage that the UK would be a member of the ECHR so he certainly wouldn't envisage coming out.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There's two reasons for that. One, he would have used the definition of fascist from the 1940's which is very different from the definition of fascist that you choose to use. Two, he didn't envisage that the UK would be a member of the ECHR so he certainly wouldn't envisage coming out.

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

He helped to create it. It protects citizens from their own governments.

He died in 1965 which was 15 years after the ECHR came into effect.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

Since you are claiming to know Churchill's mind, in complete contradiction to what was historically recorded, are you claiming that the pledge that Churchill and others issued at the end of convening the Congress of Europe doesn't actually exist or that it is forged

You also edited all factual information out of my post before you quoted your edited version of my post so, for completeness.

The Council of Europe was formed in 1949 in the aftermath of the defeat of the Fascists across Europe 80 years ago today, with Winston Churchill being one of the prime instigators.

The United Kingdom's wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill first publicly suggested the creation of a "Council of Europe" in a BBC radio broadcast on 21 March 1943,while the Second World War was still raging. In his own words, he tried to "peer through the mists of the future to the end of the war", and think about how to rebuild and maintain peace on a shattered continent. Given that Europe had been at the origin of two world wars, the creation of such a body would be, he suggested, "a stupendous business". He returned to the idea during a well-known speech at the University of Zurich on 19 September 1946, throwing the full weight of his considerable post-war prestige behind it.

The European Convention on Human Rights was one of the first things it did in 1950.

In the aftermath of the Second World War, the convention, drawing on the inspiration of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, can be seen as part of a wider response from the Allied powers in delivering a human rights agenda to prevent the most serious human rights violations which had occurred during the Second World War from happening again.

At the time, I don't think that Winston Churchill envisaged a time when it would be under threat from British Fascists through the ballot box

 

[chickens]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

Not like you, disingenuous at best.

 

[Hugo Rune]

At least Frog Face has read the terms of the US trade deal unlike Bad Enoch.....

"Farage calls deal a 'step in the right direction'" BBC

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

I also took exception to his referring to constituencies where Muslims live as constituencies with 'immigrants'.
Asians moved to Bumley in the 1950s to work nights in the cotton mills
(work the whites refused to do for the money).
Their descendants are one or two generations less 'immigrant' with respect to the UK,
than Barack Obama and Donald Trump are, with respect to the USA.

Incidentally Trump's father is Frederick Christ Trump. There's a name to conjure with.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I also took exception to his referring to constituencies where Muslims live as constituencies with 'immigrants'.
Asians moved to Bumley in the 1950s to work nights in the cotton mills
(work the whites refused to do for the money).
Their descendants are one or two generations less 'immigrant' with respect to the UK,
than Barack Obama and Donald Trump are, with respect to the USA.

Incidentally Trump's father is Frederick Christ Trump. There's a name to conjure with.

It's difficult to know what word to use. I don't like to use the term "Asian" because they are acclimatised or born British. However they do keep very strong Pakistani traditions such as the wearing of clothing designed for 40 degree temperatures (!) and the insistence that women must cover their hair, and often their faces, at all times. They form a definite distinct community (rather as their estranged cousins the Jews tend to do) which means discussion becomes tricky unless there is a descriptor that can be used. Muslims, perhaps, would do - but then would I be accused of Islamophobia?

 

[dsr-burnley]

He helped to create it. It protects citizens from their own governments.

He died in 1965 which was 15 years after the ECHR came into effect.

Into effect in the UK, I meant. It was (I believe) 1065 when it had power over British courts, and of course Churchill was PM for 4 years in the interim when he could have brought it in.

 

[birthofanorange]

Into effect in the UK, I meant. It was (I believe) 1065 when it had power over British courts, and of course Churchill was PM for 4 years in the interim when he could have brought it in.

And we know what happened the following year....

 

[dsr-burnley]

And we know what happened the following year....

Pudding fingers, me. I put 1865 first off and thought I'd corrected it ...

 

[birthofanorange]

Pudding fingers, me. I put 1865 first off and thought I'd corrected it ...

All part of life's rich tapestry.

 

[rogersix]

I think I probably can

How much money have your got?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Newly elected Reform councillor for Newark West, Desmond Clarke has resigned from Nottingham County Council, saying he’s not in a position to serve the people as they deserve.
That will trigger a by-election after only 8 days.

In other words, he’s just found out how much work is needed to be a county councillor. He should’ve thought of that before.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

It's difficult to know what word to use. I don't like to use the term "Asian" because they are acclimatised or born British. However they do keep very strong Pakistani traditions such as the wearing of clothing designed for 40 degree temperatures (!) and the insistence that women must cover their hair, and often their faces, at all times. They form a definite distinct community (rather as their estranged cousins the Jews tend to do) which means discussion becomes tricky unless there is a descriptor that can be used. Muslims, perhaps, would do - but then would I be accused of Islamophobia?

You do know that many Christian’s women cover their hair, as do Hindu’s and of course Jewish women but who tend to wear wigs?

How ever all of this is moot as you are islamophobic and most probably every other phobic.

 

[Peteinblack]

 

[Berty23]

Well tonight I have the end of season hockey do. A few years ago two clubs merged and the do this evening will involve people of Indian, Pakistani, British, polish, South African, North American and Australian origin and we will all get along just fine with some drinking and some not and no one will care.

 

[BBassic]

In December last year, Resolute 1850 Ltd was incorporated in the UK. With a thinktank soon to be launched and funds from MAGA, American Big Tech and the US religious right already pledged, it seeks to use Reform as a vessel to bring Project 2025-style policies to the UK.

In a presentation document seen by The Financial Times, the initial aims of Resolute 1850 include:

• the reduction of state-funded services to shrink the public sector
• the opposition of DEI and Net Zero initiatives
• transitioning the NHS to an insurance-based system

‘Resolute 1850’: Reform UK Ltd’s MAGA plan to turn Britain into Little America

Right-wing US interests are pushing a plan to bend the UK to their will, ‘DOGE’-style – in Farage’s Reform UK they have an eager little helper

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

That last one especially should be very concerning to everyone on this island. Well, everyone except for whom an insurance based NHS would present an opportunity for profit.