[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[BadFish]

In December last year, Resolute 1850 Ltd was incorporated in the UK. With a thinktank soon to be launched and funds from MAGA, American Big Tech and the US religious right already pledged, it seeks to use Reform as a vessel to bring Project 2025-style policies to the UK.

In a presentation document seen by The Financial Times, the initial aims of Resolute 1850 include:

• the reduction of state-funded services to shrink the public sector
• the opposition of DEI and Net Zero initiatives
• transitioning the NHS to an insurance-based system

‘Resolute 1850’: Reform UK Ltd’s MAGA plan to turn Britain into Little America

Right-wing US interests are pushing a plan to bend the UK to their will, ‘DOGE’-style – in Farage’s Reform UK they have an eager little helper

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

That last one especially should be very concerning to everyone on this island. Well, everyone except for whom an insurance based NHS would present an opportunity for profit.

"Its success or otherwise depends on the British people: in the next general election, will they vote like Canada and Australia, or Argentina and Hungary?"

Time to arrest your recent shocking performances in voting for stuff.

 

[nicko31]

In December last year, Resolute 1850 Ltd was incorporated in the UK. With a thinktank soon to be launched and funds from MAGA, American Big Tech and the US religious right already pledged, it seeks to use Reform as a vessel to bring Project 2025-style policies to the UK.

In a presentation document seen by The Financial Times, the initial aims of Resolute 1850 include:

• the reduction of state-funded services to shrink the public sector
• the opposition of DEI and Net Zero initiatives
• transitioning the NHS to an insurance-based system

‘Resolute 1850’: Reform UK Ltd’s MAGA plan to turn Britain into Little America

Right-wing US interests are pushing a plan to bend the UK to their will, ‘DOGE’-style – in Farage’s Reform UK they have an eager little helper

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

That last one especially should be very concerning to everyone on this island. Well, everyone except for whom an insurance based NHS would present an opportunity for profit.

Seems with these populist they have a common agenda, the main objective is to enrich themselves and their mates.

Focus on culture war stuff like trans issues to immigration distract while simultaneously attacking institutions, press freedom and also eroding the judiciary / rule of law.

Farage managed to successfully play a lot of people in 2016 and now he wants to do it again.

 

[BadFish]

It's great to see Spence back with his insightful political musings.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

Are you aware the court for the EU is the ECJ? The European Court of Justice, a totally different entity.

I found the speech from 9th May 1948 in Amsterdam, to the Council of Europe. It's not too long to read but it is very clear what Winston Churchill thought of cooperation with Europe.

THIS IS THE EUROPE which we wish to see arise in so great a strength as to be safe from internal disruption or foreign inroads.
We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times, a Europe in which men will be proud to say:
‘I am a European.’
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any of their love and loyalty of their birthplace.
We hope wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European Continent, they will truly feel:
‘Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too.'
Let us meet together. Let us work together. Let us do our utmost - all that is in us - for the good of all.
How simple it would all be, how crowned with blessings for all of us if that could ever come, especially for the children and young men and women now growing up in this tortured world.
How proud we should all be if we had played any useful part in bringing that great day to come. And here I invoke the interest of the broad, proletarian masses. We see before our eyes scores of millions of humble homes in Europe and in lands outside which have been afflicted by war.
Are they never to have a chance to thrive and flourish? Is the honest, faithful, breadwinner never to be able to reap the fruits of his labour? Can he never bring up his children in health and joy and with the hopes of better days?
Can he never be free from the fear of foreign invasion, the crash of the bomb and the shell, the tramp of the hostile patrol, or what is even worse, the knock upon his door by the political police to take the loved one from the protection of law and justice, when all the time by one spontaneous effort of his will he could wake from all these nightmare horrors and stand forth in his manhood, free in the broad light of day?
But if we are to achieve, this supreme reward we must lay aside every impediment; we must conquer ourselves.
We must rise to a level higher than the grievous injuries we have suffered or the deep hatreds they have caused. Old feuds must die. Territorial ambitions must be set aside.
National rivalries must be confined to the question as to who can render the most distinguished service to the common cause.
Moreover, we must take all necessary steps and particular precautions to make sure that we have the power and the time to carry out this transformation of the western world.
Much of this of course belongs to the responsibilities of the chosen governments responsible in so many countries.
But we have gathered together at The Hague, to proclaim here and to all the world the mission, the aim and the design of a United Europe, whose moral conceptions will win the respect and gratitude of mankind and whose physical strength will be such that none will dare molest her tranquil sway.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

It's great to see Spence back with his insightful political musings.

Our very own talking dog …

 

[NigelTaylor82]

While Labour & the conservatives have a small number of MP’s that seem to hold fairly dodgy views that’s not the majority & certainly not the leadership.

The two parties that are fairly extreme although not extremists in the criminal sense are Reform & the Greens. I’ve met a few members from both these parties & it’s safe to say they are unpleasant people.

 

[birthofanorange]

I'd imagine that a few here have every copy.

 

[SouthSaxon]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

It’s not arguable, he said it openly in a speech at The Hague congress in 1948, where he talked about a full system of world government with the UN at its head:

This was the direction in which my hopes and thought lay three or four years ago. To take an example from the military sphere, with which it had experiences have made us all familiar, the design for world government might have followed the system of three or more groups of armies - in this case armies of peace - under one supreme headquarters.

Then, this is the key part:

Thus I saw the vast Soviet Union forming one of these great groups. The council of Europe including Great Britain linked with her Empire and Commonwealth, would be another. Thirdly there was the United States with her sister republics in the Western Hemisphere with all their great spheres of interest and influence.

When he first became Prime Minister, as France was on the brink in May/June 1940, he offered their government a union with Britain to help keep them in the fight.

And it would have been odd for him to advocate strongly for the United States of Europe, as part of a joined up system of world government, but wanting Britain on the outside looking in.

There was nothing Churchillian about Brexit, the man would’ve been appalled by it.

The same applies to leaving the ECHR, another awful idea being promoted by awful people with other awful ideas that it prevents them from doing.

Edit: meant to add a link to the transcript I sourced those quotes from:

https://rm.coe.int/CoERMPublicCommonSearchServices/DisplayDCTMContent?documentId=090000168069828d

 

[Cordwainer]

At least Frog Face has read the terms of the US trade deal unlike Bad Enoch.....

"Farage calls deal a 'step in the right direction'" BBC

Is the word goose missing before the word step in that quote?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It’s not arguable, he said it openly in a speech at The Hague congress in 1948, where he talked about a full system of world government with the UN at its head:


Then, this is the key part:

When he first became Prime Minister, as France was on the brink in May/June 1940, he offered their government a union with Britain to help keep them in the fight.

And it would have been odd for him to advocate strongly for the United States of Europe, as part of a joined up system of world government, but wanting Britain on the outside looking in.

There was nothing Churchillian about Brexit, the man would’ve been appalled by it.

The same applies to leaving the ECHR, another awful idea being promoted by awful people with other anwful ideas that it prevents them from doing.

It should’ve been obvious from Winston Churchill grandson, Nicholas Soames, who was strongly Remain.

People see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, whether it is true or not.
Confirmation bias.

 

[SouthSaxon]

It should’ve been obvious from Winston Churchill grandson, Nicholas Soames, who was strongly Remain.

People see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, whether it is true or not.
Confirmation bias.

I honestly think the left should actively reclaim Churchill because, complicated and flawed though he was, scum like Johnson, Farage and Tice aren’t worthy of him.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It’s not arguable, he said it openly in a speech at The Hague congress in 1948, where he talked about a full system of world government with the UN at its head:


Then, this is the key part:

When he first became Prime Minister, as France was on the brink in May/June 1940, he offered their government a union with Britain to help keep them in the fight.

And it would have been odd for him to advocate strongly for the United States of Europe, as part of a joined up system of world government, but wanting Britain on the outside looking in.

There was nothing Churchillian about Brexit, the man would’ve been appalled by it.

The same applies to leaving the ECHR, another awful idea being promoted by awful people with other awful ideas that it prevents them from doing.

Edit: meant to add a link to the transcript I sourced those quotes from:

https://rm.coe.int/CoERMPublicCommonSearchServices/DisplayDCTMContent?documentId=090000168069828d

It is absolutely incredible that the weekend we recognise the Allies defeating Fascism in Europe and Winston Churchill's role in that, Britain is trying to reverse everything those people fought and died for, through the ballot box. I'll leave it there as I wouldn't want to be banned saying what I really think

 

[kojak]

The usual 6 posters on here that think they speak for the nation

 

[n1 gull]

It is absolutely incredible that the weekend we recognise the Allies defeating Fascism in Europe and Winston Churchill's role in that, Britain is trying to reverse everything those people fought and died for, through the ballot box. I'll leave it there as I wouldn't want to be banned saying what I really think

Wow that is some take

Glad you like Churchill though