[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[dsr-burnley]

Says the MP holding a 900 vote majority, with the Conservatives and Reform combined, banking 7,000 more votes. I wonder what drove him to come out with his statement?

To be fair to Hinder, he lives in a constituency with a lot of immigrants. He's in the unusual position of being a Labour MP with hardly any Labour borough or county councillors in his constituency. All the Labour councillors in Pendle resigned over the Israel-Hamas war and Labour hasn't been able to reinstate its foothold on the council - the independents have all retained their seats as they came up. (Ribble Valley has a few Labour councillors but I don't know which parliamentary constituency they are in.)

Part of the reason Hinder won was that the Moslem vote did not turn out for the anti-Israel candidate in anything like the numbers it did elsewhere. He's risking quite a lot on them not taking offence now.

 

[dsr-burnley]

At the time, I don't think that Winston Churchill envisaged a time when it would be under threat from British Fascists through the ballot box

There's two reasons for that. One, he would have used the definition of fascist from the 1940's which is very different from the definition of fascist that you choose to use. Two, he didn't envisage that the UK would be a member of the ECHR so he certainly wouldn't envisage coming out.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There's two reasons for that. One, he would have used the definition of fascist from the 1940's which is very different from the definition of fascist that you choose to use. Two, he didn't envisage that the UK would be a member of the ECHR so he certainly wouldn't envisage coming out.

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

He helped to create it. It protects citizens from their own governments.

He died in 1965 which was 15 years after the ECHR came into effect.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

Since you are claiming to know Churchill's mind, in complete contradiction to what was historically recorded, are you claiming that the pledge that Churchill and others issued at the end of convening the Congress of Europe doesn't actually exist or that it is forged

You also edited all factual information out of my post before you quoted your edited version of my post so, for completeness.

The Council of Europe was formed in 1949 in the aftermath of the defeat of the Fascists across Europe 80 years ago today, with Winston Churchill being one of the prime instigators.

The United Kingdom's wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill first publicly suggested the creation of a "Council of Europe" in a BBC radio broadcast on 21 March 1943,while the Second World War was still raging. In his own words, he tried to "peer through the mists of the future to the end of the war", and think about how to rebuild and maintain peace on a shattered continent. Given that Europe had been at the origin of two world wars, the creation of such a body would be, he suggested, "a stupendous business". He returned to the idea during a well-known speech at the University of Zurich on 19 September 1946, throwing the full weight of his considerable post-war prestige behind it.

The European Convention on Human Rights was one of the first things it did in 1950.

In the aftermath of the Second World War, the convention, drawing on the inspiration of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, can be seen as part of a wider response from the Allied powers in delivering a human rights agenda to prevent the most serious human rights violations which had occurred during the Second World War from happening again.

At the time, I don't think that Winston Churchill envisaged a time when it would be under threat from British Fascists through the ballot box

 

[chickens]

It's arguable whether Churchill intended the UK to be part of it. There was certainly a school of thought that Germany, Spain, Italy etc. were more in need of a charter of human rights than the UK was. In this article Churchill is quoted as saying that he saw a united Europe as a specially related ally and friend; clearly implying that he thought Britain would not be in it. Though that entry was specifically about trade, not human rights.

He never supported the UK's acceptance of the ECHR jurisdiction (which came into effect after he had died) but he is not quoted as opposing it either.

Not like you, disingenuous at best.

 

[Hugo Rune]

At least Frog Face has read the terms of the US trade deal unlike Bad Enoch.....

"Farage calls deal a 'step in the right direction'" BBC

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Say what?

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer, as well as civil society representatives, academics, business leaders, trade unionists, and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter.

It was signed in November 1950.

I also took exception to his referring to constituencies where Muslims live as constituencies with 'immigrants'.
Asians moved to Bumley in the 1950s to work nights in the cotton mills
(work the whites refused to do for the money).
Their descendants are one or two generations less 'immigrant' with respect to the UK,
than Barack Obama and Donald Trump are, with respect to the USA.

Incidentally Trump's father is Frederick Christ Trump. There's a name to conjure with.