[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Is it PotG?]

....even though I never post anything about football.

Why's that then?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well you have to edit quotes first if you have no answer and don't want to appear stupid

Back to editing posts and then quoting them again

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[Is it PotG?]

Back to editing posts and then quoting them again

Wait for the edit......

 

[A1X]

I would love to deport our own home-grown rapists as well. But we can't.

But we can at least get rid of as many as possible.

So what crimes would you be prepared to accept in return? If you’re deporting the British rapists to (e.g.) Sri Lanka, would we take Sri Lankan murderers in return under your plan? Or are you expecting others to take our criminals for nothing in return, “cakeism” as it’s usually called.

 

[nevergoagain]

So what crimes would you be prepared to accept in return? If you’re deporting the British rapists to (e.g.) Sri Lanka, would we take Sri Lankan murderers in return under your plan? Or are you expecting others to take our criminals for nothing in return, “cakeism” as it’s usually called.

That's really not the point he's trying to make as you well know. Simply put, we have enough of our own criminals/dickheads/perverts without keeping foreign nationals here if they are convicted of a crime. They should be deported once sentence served but it seems far too often the system is played and they are allowed to remain due to human rights.

Our rule of 1 year prison being the benchmark for "automatic" deportation is plainly ludicrous when you think of how difficult it actually seems to be to get locked up. I'd happily take back the british criminals who are deported for their crimes elsewhere as that would be a very small amount compared to the numbers we would be deporting.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yay another mention of your wonderful ignore list.

Pull your pants up and go and make me a cup of tea I think is the expression isn't it ?.

Less than a year of a Labour government and you’ve lost the ability to debate the issues and resorted to abuse. I thought Reform had all the answers?

 

[Bodian]

That's really not the point he's trying to make as you well know. Simply put, we have enough of our own criminals/dickheads/perverts without keeping foreign nationals here if they are convicted of a crime. They should be deported once sentence served but it seems far too often the system is played and they are allowed to remain due to human rights.

Can you put some figures on this please. Complete with sources.

Thanks

 

[nevergoagain]

Less than a year of a Labour government and you’ve lost the ability to debate the issues and resorted to abuse. I thought Reform had all the answers?

I think you'll find I'm just quoting one of good old Harrys favourite expressions when he decides someone is exasperating him.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think you'll find I'm just quoting one of good old Harrys favourite expressions when he decides someone is exasperating him.

I think you’ll find you’re still not debating the issues.

 

[nevergoagain]

Can you put some figures on this please. Complete with sources.

Thanks

No. Numbers are subjective aren't they ? 1 would be too many if we are talking about sexual/violent offenders not being deported. In which case I'll give you then is Abdul Ezedi.

Here's your source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_alkali_attack

How many cases would you say is too many ?. Do you think violent or sexual offenders should be deported if foreign born even if they haven't been sentenced to a prison term ? What crimes should we deport people for ?.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No. Numbers are subjective aren't they ? 1 would be too many if we are talking about sexual/violent offenders not being deported. In which case I'll give you then is Abdul Ezedi.

Here's your source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_alkali_attack

How many cases would you say is too many ?. Do you think violent or sexual offenders should be deported if foreign born even if they haven't been sentenced to a prison term ? What crimes should we deport people for ?.

Your source is Wikipedia?

 

[nicko31]

Exactly what Enoch Powell said in his 1968 'rivers of blood' speech - he was the Farage of his time: a member of the Establishment who appealed to the uneducated solely on the basis of not liking immigrants.

But on other issues, Powell was more Right-wing than Thatcher, just as Farage is, and it is those Right-wing policies which have decimated and impoverished the working-class and destroyed their communities far, far, more than immigrants.

Of course, the Right blame immigrants precisely to deflect attention from their own culpability for the damage and misery inflicted on the working-class since the 1980s.

The right want de-regulation, they want the sovereign individual, they want to reward their mates.

The trogan horse of immigration is the prefect tool to persuade the down trodden to act against their own interests, and Farage is a good salesman

 

[darkwolf666]

No. Numbers are subjective aren't they ? 1 would be too many if we are talking about sexual/violent offenders not being deported. In which case I'll give you then is Abdul Ezedi.

Here's your source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_alkali_attack

How many cases would you say is too many ?. Do you think violent or sexual offenders should be deported if foreign born even if they haven't been sentenced to a prison term ? What crimes should we deport people for ?.

You want to deport people who haven’t even received a jail term

 

[Bodian]

No. Numbers are subjective aren't they ? 1 would be too many if we are talking about sexual/violent offenders not being deported. In which case I'll give you then is Abdul Ezedi.

Here's your source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_alkali_attack

How many cases would you say is too many ?. Do you think violent or sexual offenders should be deported if foreign born even if they haven't been sentenced to a prison term ? What crimes should we deport people for ?.

Your questions are not on the point I was specifically asking. You stated that "far too often the system is played and they are allowed to remain due to human rights." So, I was asking you for numbers. That is - how many people have played the system and been allowed to remain because of human rights?

Don't deflect into a discussion about what offenders should be deported, or what crimes should we deport for. Just provide evidence on the specific point you raised and I was asking about.


So, now looking at the one you have provided a link for. Yes - I can see he was a) an immigrant, and b) was placed of the offences register (but not actually jailed). But it's less clear that he was 'playing the system and was allowed to stay because of human rights'. It says he applied for asylum and appealed. Surely you agree that if we have an asylum application process it has to run it's course? Or are you saying that anyone committing any crime should simply not be allowed to apply for asylum?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I see the ignorant are home from school....

The right want de-regulation, they want the sovereign individual, they want to reward their mates.

The trogan horse of immigration is the prefect tool to persuade the down trodden to act against their own interests, and Farage is a good salesman

Part of me thinks there is nothing PM Fazza can do to affect me and my middle class family.
So if the people worse off than me who feel downtrodden want to vote him in....then full steam ahead. Fill your worn out boots.
Electoral self-harm is a self-inflicted wound. No sympathy.
Except that Fazza will let the people worse off than me trample on the truly downtrodden, and the brown people.
That's just wrong.
So it does matter that he is vanquished.

 

[n1 gull]

Your questions are not on the point I was specifically asking. You stated that "far too often the system is played and they are allowed to remain due to human rights." So, I was asking you for numbers. That is - how many people have played the system and been allowed to remain because of human rights?

Don't deflect into a discussion about what offenders should be deported, or what crimes should we deport for. Just provide evidence on the specific point you raised and I was asking about.


So, now looking at the one you have provided a link for. Yes - I can see he was a) an immigrant, and b) was placed of the offences register (but not actually jailed). But it's less clear that he was 'playing the system and was allowed to stay because of human rights'. It says he applied for asylum and appealed. Surely you agree that if we have an asylum application process it has to run it's course? Or are you saying that anyone committing any crime should simply not be allowed to apply for asylum?

Crikey this is desperate stuff

 

[Bodian]

Crikey this is desperate stuff

Why? The poster stated something was happening, I have asked them to provide evidence.

People shouldn't be able to make statements saying something is regularly happening, without having something to back it up if challenged. Or do you consider that people should be allowed to say what they like - regardless of whether it has any factual basis or not?

 

[A1X]

No. Numbers are subjective aren't they ?

Not really. Numbers are the bare facts of the case, how those are interpreted is the subjective bit.

Take the blessed Nigel’s favourite football team, they won the FA Cup on pure numbers, but whether they were the best team in the competition is entirely subjective.

 

[dsr-burnley]

So what crimes would you be prepared to accept in return? If you’re deporting the British rapists to (e.g.) Sri Lanka, would we take Sri Lankan murderers in return under your plan? Or are you expecting others to take our criminals for nothing in return, “cakeism” as it’s usually called.

I think perhaps you've misunderstood what I meant by the sentence "But we can't".

 

[nevergoagain]

You want to deport people who haven’t even received a jail term

Yes please, if found guilty of a violent or sexual offence. Do you disagree then ?.