May Allah forgive her and all of us.

[thebazillionaire]

This thread was a good idea. NOBODY is going to win this debate. The old rule, Politics or Religion.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Because the Genesis would be disproved. Religion is based on a God and that God creating Man in his image. It also believes Man to be unique and alone in God's universe so ET turning up would destroy everything that a religion is based on. I know many people on this planet wish for and believe the proof of ET will be the best thing that could ever happen to Earth and Mankind in general and I am also of that belief.

The morning of the last Championship games of the season, I went to church and prayed to God that Palace would stay up in the Chamionship, not be relegated to face Albion next (this) season.

And God answered me at Hillsborough...maybe he's a Palace fan, and Falmer will be struck down by a thunderbolt on opening day!!

 

[itszamora]

Atheists have to be the most arrogant breed going. Considering their reasoning behind the divine brilliance of life, the universe and everything is "it just happened by chance" I always find it surprising when they have the audacity to attack religions.

Have you ever thought that posts like this may be why some atheists attack religions? Some people believe in them, some don't. Deal with it.

 

[bhaexpress]

What about Scientology?

Religion is not the problem. Mans interpretation of it is.

That's true of any ideology isn't ? Take Communism for example.

 

[drew]

You are absolutely right of course. We never think about what we are saying or why we are saying it. We've been brainwashed, you see. We're like living zombies, just mindlessly walking into church each week for our next programming session.

As for thinking for ourselves? Right again, we just simply do exactly what we are told. Our brains were disconnected at birth.

Now what's your excuse?


PS If you actually want an answer to your first post, why don't you just talk to the guy about it?

Post 17 before someone points out the bleeding obvious. Rather than anonymously attack the guy on a forum, discuss it with him. Sounds to me his is just replying based on his religion. No doubt the card you sent had no religous overtones because of what you believe. Did he take offence at that!!!

Religion and I mean ALL religion is bad. It has created never ending wars and suffering. The best thing that could happen for this planet and the only thing to ultimately save it is if we found proof of extraterrestial life and all religion and their beliefs and teachings would be shot to pieces.

Because the Genesis would be disproved. Religion is based on a God and that God creating Man in his image. It also believes Man to be unique and alone in God's universe so ET turning up would destroy everything that a religion is based on. I know many people on this planet wish for and believe the proof of ET will be the best thing that could ever happen to Earth and Mankind in general and I am also of that belief.

What garbage. Most people I know who are religious and attend church don't for one minute believe everything that is written in one book. As I see it, the precept for a religious belief is that a) there is some form of existence after you die and b) there is some greater force that can hear and respond to your praying. Personally, I don't believe in either but many do. What would happen if you ET character landed on earth and started trying to convert us to his/her/its beliefs. Or, it turns out he/she/it worships one our gods ie God/Jehovah/Allah etc etc.

 

[bhaexpress]

Atheists have to be the most arrogant breed going. Considering their reasoning behind the divine brilliance of life, the universe and everything is "it just happened by chance" I always find it surprising when they have the audacity to attack religions.

Not all atheists attack religion, we're mainly indifferent to it, happy to let others believe in something that simple logic denies the existence of. However it's the smug attitude of some (by no means all) religious people who feel that as their delusion is so good they feel superior to people who refuse to accept dogma and superstition.

I could care less about what people want to do with their spare time as long as it has no impact on me (however why should we have restricted shopping hours on a Sunday for instance ? However I can live with that). However seeing that if I was to declare that I worship little green men from Mars people would question my sanity despite the fact that unlike Heaven, we know Mars actually exists.

 

[Nibble]

Religion and I mean ALL religion is bad. It has created never ending wars and suffering.

I disagree. Religion is used as an excuse to cause war and suffering by weak individuals with another agenda, ie power and wealth. Most religions in their purest form aspire to tolerance, patience and kindness to fellow humans. I am not religious but I can also see that the majority of people who believe in religious teachings do so with a firm belief in being a better human and in treating others with respect and tolerance.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Can I just make a point about all these people that decide to commit suicide in front of trains, including that tosspot who parked in front of a 125 outside Reading a couple of years ago, an wiped out about eight other innocent people?

I know a lot of people in the rail industry; it's getting beyond a temporary blip when so many people are choosing this "way out" of their personal crises. Rail services are continually being disrupted, staff having to take lengthy time off or even having to retire from the trauma of dealing with mangled bodies.

In the old days when steam locos headed trains, often drivers and firemen wouldn't know it had happened, but now all locomotives and multiple units have cabs at the front, they have usually to deal with seeing the impact and then dealing with the effects.

I don't know how you deal with people who really want to take their own lives, I once had to talk a woman about jumping off Beachy Head, and I felt ill for days afterwards thinking "What if I said the wrong thing and she jumped?" (as it turned out, I believe she went back some weeks later and DID jump) but the idea of people causing pain and suffering to countless others by their own act, even a final and sacrificial one, strikes me as sad - and that's not what I typed to start with...

 

[bhaexpress]

World Wars 1 and 2, not started by religion, Vietnam and Korea, not because of religion, The Falklands, not holy. Iraq, Afghanistan ? Are they about religion or oil ? Granted some wars were started because of religion but most of the time that was because the protagonists had another agenda, wealth and power in the main.

 

[Acker79]

Science disproved religion decades ago. People hang on to it thinking " there must be more to it than this ", unfortunately there isn't.

If people "hang on to it" in the face of science disproving religion, what makes you think they won't "hang on to it" when faced with extra terrestrials?


Religion isn't the cause of wars, it is an excuse used by some people both to start the war and to recruit people to their side.

 

[The Wookiee]

So all these religious folks never really think about what they're saying, what it means, why they're saying it?

They just repeat it ad infinitum following instructions from their priest/imam?

Are religious people totally unable to think for themselves?

Brainwashed. If all these religious nuts took a step back and thought about it with some logic then they would realise it is a total load of bollocks !!

 

[ROKERITE]

Which religion is the right one? In regards to monotheistic ones, they either all are or none of them are - after all they all believe in the same thing, one God who created all.

Dawkins and Darwinism are both very fashionable at the moment, but they cannot explain the origins of everything. The idea that the incomprehensibly perfect laws of life and physics happened by chance is in my opinion preposterous. Atheists are in the dark as much as anyone else regarding the origins of everything, so when they state that the theory of God is untrue when it is one of the strongest and most debated theories going strikes me as incredibly close-minded.

I agree with you that we're all in the dark. Many think they can see the light but it's almost certainly just a mirage. Maybe, by chance, some have found the truth, but we won't know which, if any, while we're among the quick.

 

[beorhthelm]

Atheists are in the dark as much as anyone else regarding the origins of everything, so when they state that the theory of God is untrue when it is one of the strongest and most debated theories going strikes me as incredibly close-minded.

whats your "theory of god"? a Deist one where some etheral intelligence created the universe, or a more physical one that created the world in 7 days, invokes miracles and the like. for the latter there is plenty of evidence to disprove the theory. I'll also point out there are more relgions than the 3 Abrahamic ones, each of which are equally (in)valid. who is to say man was not formed from the milk of a giant cow (or what ever the Norse creation myth is).

yes, science is in the dark regarding the origin of everything. the difference is the attempt to seek an answer rather than simply park eveything complicated under the heading "god's will".

 

[Spanish Seagulls]

No, no, not at all. I want to attack all religions.

They are all examples of mass delusion.

I actually agree I dislike all religion equally but it's just causing shit on here.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Behind Uncle Spielberg's accusation that "religion is bad because it causes wars" lies an insidious bit of propaganda. It's only a short step from that assertion to one that says "the enemy have a religious agenda; they must, therefore, be WRONG; we must, therefore, do everything we can to destroy them".

The next step in that line of thinking is the one that says "The enemy don't deserve that oil. We should have it".

I think secularism is as DANGEROUS an ideology as religion.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

You can carry on worshipping your God and I will continue to worship ET. Lets leave it at that. Ed please check your e mails for an important message.

 

[ROKERITE]

Behind Uncle Spielberg's accusation that "religion is bad because it causes wars" lies an insidious bit of propaganda. It's only a short step from that assertion to one that says "the enemy have a religious agenda; they must, therefore, be WRONG; we must, therefore, do everything we can to destroy them".

The next step in that line of thinking is the one that says "The enemy don't deserve that oil. We should have it".

I think secularism is as DANGEROUS an ideology as religion.

No, it's a very big step, or series of steps, that you write of in your first paragraph. You have an odd view of secularism.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Religion and I mean ALL religion is bad. It has created never ending wars and suffering.

Says the man sitting in his comfortable western society abode which grew on the back of the real problem which has haunted the planet since day one, greed.

There's Nuns who have devoted their lives to their faith and to working in places like Africa with the poorest and most displaced humans on the planet.

So tell me who's bad, you who sit at your computer pontificating about others while doing f*** all yourself or those who through their faith are making a difference to their fellow human beings?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Brainwashed. If all these religious nuts took a step back and thought about it with some logic then they would realise it is a total load of bollocks !!

Logic has no basis outside of planet earth because it's only a human logic.

Thus the principles we apply to to the universe have no relevance outside of our own understandings.

 

[bhaexpress]

Says the man sitting in his comfortable western society abode which grew on the back of the real problem which has haunted the planet since day one, greed.

There's Nuns who have devoted their lives to their faith and to working in places like Africa with the poorest and most displaced humans on the planet.

So tell me who's bad, you who sit at your computer pontificating about others while doing f*** all yourself or those who through their faith are making a difference to their fellow human beings?

What has that got to do with religion ? It may come as a surprise to you but not all aid workers are religious. Also, as far as nuns are concerned I remember the Whores of Christ that taught me at my primary school and in fact who played a part in my realisation that there's no God. As vile a set of women as you would want to meet.