May Allah forgive her and all of us.

[Tyrone Biggums]

World Wars 1 and 2, not started by religion, Vietnam and Korea, not because of religion, The Falklands, not holy. Iraq, Afghanistan ? Are they about religion or oil ? Granted some wars were started because of religion but most of the time that was because the protagonists had another agenda, wealth and power in the main.

Is the correct answer.

The Spanish incursion into South America for example wiped out millions of native South American Indians, all in the pursuit of gold.

Colonization has been responsible for 1000 times more deaths than any religion has.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

What has that got to do with religion ? It may come as a surprise to you but not all aid workers are religious. Also, as far as nuns are concerned I remember the Whores of Christ that taught me at my primary school and in fact who played a part in my realisation that there's no God. As vile a set of women as you would want to meet.

It is completely relevant when someone makes a statement "all religion is bad".

It provides evidence not all religion is bad because it's allowing people of whatever faiths to work with others to better their lives.

The nuns who taught me were wonderful women so my experience is different to yours.

But that has NOTHING to do with the religion.

That has everything to do with human beings and their different personality traits.

It's not hard to understand it's not the religion that is the problem, its the weakness in humans that is the issue.

It's like the old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

Nothing is bad unless you choose to use it for a bad purpose.

 

[bhaexpress]

Is the correct answer.

The Spanish incursion into South America for example wiped out millions of native South American Indians, all in the pursuit of gold.

Colonization has been responsible for 1000 times more deaths than any religion has.

Wow, we agree on something ! Actually whilst there have been wars over religion seldom has that been the real cause. The situation in Northern Ireland was originally inflamed by the fact that the Protestants had the wealth and wanted it to stay that way. The Sunni and Shiite Muslims are the same.

 

[NMH]

It's a simple prayer message.
You'd find worse examples in our own language and speech*, so I don't see the point of this thread.

*i.e. 'For God's sake', and 'cor blimey' which originates from "God blind me" and etc

 

[Acker79]

It's not hard to understand it's not the religion that is the problem, its the weakness in humans that is the issue.

So, anyone linked to religion who does good is doing good because of the religion, but anyone linked to religion doing bad is doing bad because of human weakness?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Says the man sitting in his comfortable western society abode which grew on the back of the real problem which has haunted the planet since day one, greed.

There's Nuns who have devoted their lives to their faith and to working in places like Africa with the poorest and most displaced humans on the planet.

So tell me who's bad, you who sit at your computer pontificating about others while doing f*** all yourself or those who through their faith are making a difference to their fellow human beings?

I do f*** all do I ?.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Wow, we agree on something ! Actually whilst there have been wars over religion seldom has that been the real cause. The situation in Northern Ireland was originally inflamed by the fact that the Protestants had the wealth and wanted it to stay that way. The Sunni and Shiite Muslims are the same.

It's the same reason there's soccer hooligans. One tribe wants to protect their turf from others coming onto it.

Been going on since the days of cavemen.

 

[IKDRF]

A Muslim colleague's mother died recently.

We all sent him the usual condolence messages, thinking of you at this difficult time, blah, blah, blah.

Then an email from him thanking us for our kindness and support and adding ...
"May Allah forgive her and all of us".

First of all, his poor mother has just died of cancer, hardly her fault, undoubtedly a good Allah-fearing woman, and now he wants Allah to fecking forgive her. Forgive her for what exactly?

And secondly, I don't want or need Allah or any other figment of anyone's imagination to fecking forgive me. How dare he ask his stupid god to forgive me. Don't think he'd like it much if I asked the atheist non-god to forgive him.

Really don't know what makes these poor miguided souls tick.

Your initial reaction is understandable but misguided.

Your colleague was not suggesting that Allah forgive her for having cancer. It was a general cultural reference to the fact that everyone is a sinner in the eyes of the muslim god and requires forgiveness to enter paradise.
So therefore your colleague was hoping (as a result of his religious belief) that his mother would reach eternity. He also included the rest of you in that. Looking at it from his perspective it was actually a respectful thing to do.He did nothing wrong.
This is the not the forum for such discussions or angry outbursts though-it resolves nothing-save a few rational posts.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I do f*** all do I ?.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I do f*** all do I ?.

Are you in a place like Africa risking death, disease, rape?

Have you given up all your worldly possessions and left the comfort of your own home in the process?

And before it's thrown into the mix. Supporting a local charity fund raising or handing out soup to homeless people while a noble and worthy cause doesn't quite match the commitment some people have made.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm no better than the next person who does a bit for their community but could always do more.

Which is why I appreciate even more the sacrifices of those who do give up their lives to help others for no monetary or personal gain whether they be religious or not.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So, anyone linked to religion who does good is doing good because of the religion, but anyone linked to religion doing bad is doing bad because of human weakness?

Nope.

Both have had the opportunity to use religion for whatever purpose THEY saw fit.

Those of good character have made the most of what it could offer as a vehicle to good in the world.

Those of bad character have abused the right and used it for the complete wrong purpose.



I place a loaded gun in your hand.

You might use it to shoot a rabbit to feed a poor family who have nothing.

You might conversely use it to hold up a bank.

The choice is yours what you do with the opportunity you have.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Are you in a place like Africa risking death, disease, rape?

Have you given up all your worldly possessions and left the comfort of your own home in the process?

And before it's thrown into the mix. Supporting a local charity fund raising or handing out soup to homeless people while a noble and worthy cause doesn't quite match the commitment some people have made.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm no better than the next person who does a bit for their community but could always do more.

Which is why I appreciate even more the sacrifices of those who do give up their lives to help others for no monetary or personal gain whether they be religious or not.

Just because I have a different viewpoint than you , you choose to make this assumption about me

" So tell me who's bad, you who sit at your computer pontificating about others while doing f*** all yourself or those who through their faith are making a difference to their fellow human beings? ".

What have you done to try and do some good in the World ?.

 

[The Wookiee]

Logic has no basis outside of planet earth because it's only a human logic.

Thus the principles we apply to to the universe have no relevance outside of our own understandings.

So what happens to us when we die ?

I will tell you, we stop breathing and our life is gone, we are dead and we either get buried or cremated - end of and good night.

Anybody who thinks we go to an idylic place called heaven or some burning pit called hell or any other after life is seriously deluded !!!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So what happens to us when we die ?

I will tell you, we stop breathing and our life is gone, we are dead and we either get buried or cremated - end of and good night.

Anybody who thinks we go to an idylic place called heaven or some burning pit called hell or any other after life is seriously deluded !!!

I'll be honest and say I have no idea what happens to us when we die.

I have my thoughts and opinions but I do not view them as an absolute truth, merely my truth.

Anyone who thinks they know the absolute truth of the cosmos is the truly deluded one.

 

[El Presidente]

I do f*** all do I ?.

I thought that was Glenn Murray's job.........

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Just because I have a different viewpoint than you , you choose to make this assumption about me

" So tell me who's bad, you who sit at your computer pontificating about others while doing f*** all yourself or those who through their faith are making a difference to their fellow human beings? ".

What have you done to try and do some good in the World ?.

You do see the irony don't you?

You are miffed that someone made an assumption about your life and beliefs, yet you have done exactly the same thing by saying "all religion is bad".

I already said to you I do small things in the community but could do more.

But that's irrelevant. It would only be relevant if I made a silly sweeping statement like "all atheists are self centered twats who only care about themselves".

A statement which is untrue but is similar in essence to saying all religion is bad.

 

[El Presidente]

I'll be honest and say I have no idea what happens to us when we die.

You get sent to Australia mate

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You get sent to Australia mate

I must be in heaven then!

Reckon if I ended up in Alice Springs that'd mean I was in hell.

 

[FANBOY]

what an idiot you are. how are you 'offended' by this?

 

[User removed 4]

A Muslim colleague's mother died recently.

We all sent him the usual condolence messages, thinking of you at this difficult time, blah, blah, blah.

Then an email from him thanking us for our kindness and support and adding ...
"May Allah forgive her and all of us".

First of all, his poor mother has just died of cancer, hardly her fault, undoubtedly a good Allah-fearing woman, and now he wants Allah to fecking forgive her. Forgive her for what exactly?

And secondly, I don't want or need Allah or any other figment of anyone's imagination to fecking forgive me. How dare he ask his stupid god to forgive me. Don't think he'd like it much if I asked the atheist non-god to forgive him.

Really don't know what makes these poor miguided souls tick.

you need to lighten up a bit mate , so what if the email said what it did ? it doesnt affect you in any way at all, the bloke's mum has just died, in fact the post makes you loook a bit of a cock to be honest.