[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[darkwolf666]

Dream on foxy


If it's OK for Sir Kier to be "far right" then it must be OK for everyone now

Have I genuinely missed that this is an exclusively Muslim grooming gangs inquiry, as per Big Nige and the Tories call, or are people just being a bit, well, a bit right wing?

 

[n1 gull]

Have I genuinely missed that this is an exclusively Muslim grooming gangs inquiry, as per Big Nige and the Tories call, or are people just being a bit, well, a bit right wing?

You do realise you are literally highlighting the problem

These girls were targeted because they were white and vulnerable

They were predominately picked on by Pakistani gangs but if you raised the issue you were and I quote ..."a bit right wing"

 

[Weststander]

You do realise you are literally highlighting the problem

These girls were targeted because they were white and vulnerable

They were predominately picked on by Pakistani gangs but if you raised the issue you were and I quote ..."a bit right wing"

I know what you mean, but is that bit a fact? Wouldn't they have targeted vulnerable girls of any non British-Pakistani heritage, regardless of skin colour?

 

[fly high]

I know what you mean, but is that bit a fact? Wouldn't they have targeted vulnerable girls of any non British-Pakistani heritage, regardless of skin colour?

I guess the answer maybe is how many black girls have been targeted? I have no idea but they do seem to be predominantly white.

 

[Chicken Run]

I was about to say what with the NCA coming for these Pakistani Grooming gangs the sales of PIA tickets from Manchester and Heathrow eastbound are going to surge but PIA haven’t got a licence to land in the UK at the moment

 

[darkwolf666]

You do realise you are literally highlighting the problem

These girls were targeted because they were white and vulnerable

They were predominately picked on by Pakistani gangs but if you raised the issue you were and I quote ..."a bit right wing"

No, you are missing my point...

Mr Farage and the Tories (now not having to deal with anything), have been calling for an inquiry into Muslim grooming gangs - is that what this inquiry is solely focussed on, or is it an inquiry into group CSE in general?

That is a genuine question on my part, as everyone (well some) appear to be talking about Muslim grooming gangs, exclusively!

If I've got it wrong and it IS an inquiry into just Muslim gangs, then I will apologise for my ignorance...

 

[worthingweird]

So you are so enamoured by Nige and his mob, that you would also like them to run your local council as well ? That certainly fits my definition of a Reform supporter

No, not at all...my father in law used to vote for a Labour council and a Conservative government, saying a Labour council would give you more, unlike like the shower we have now. Please try and keep up.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Who said i'm Tory or reform.

You did here

Given the chance, i definately would have voted Reform UK...

That was for the County council elections...

So you are so enamoured by Nige and his mob, that you would also like them to run your local council as well ? That certainly fits my definition of a Reform supporter

No, not at all...my father in law used to vote for a Labour council and a Conservative government, saying a Labour council would give you more, unlike like the shower we have now. Please try and keep up.

Keep up ? You think I've failed to follow some sort of logic from you in this exchange

 

[nevergoagain]

No, you are missing my point...

Mr Farage and the Tories (now not having to deal with anything), have been calling for an inquiry into Muslim grooming gangs - is that what this inquiry is solely focussed on, or is it an inquiry into group CSE in general?

That is a genuine question on my part, as everyone (well some) appear to be talking about Muslim grooming gangs, exclusively!

If I've got it wrong and it IS an inquiry into just Muslim gangs, then I will apologise for my ignorance...

I've already agreed with you that Inquiry must focus on ALL CSE, however the unsubstantiated statement you made previously was "All previous research indicates that the vast majority of large scale CSE is carried out by white, mainly male, gangs." which I believe to be untrue and from the initial statements from Baroness Casey would seem to back that up.

 

[fly high]

I've already agreed with you that Inquiry must focus on ALL CSE, however the unsubstantiated statement you made previously was "All previous research indicates that the vast majority of large scale CSE is carried out by white, mainly male, gangs." which I believe to be untrue and from the initial statements from Baroness Casey would seem to back that up.

Basically no one can say for sure what ethnicity the gangs are as it is generally not recorded, a point Baroness Cassey made. We will have to wait until there is more information. Hopefully the new inquiry will be able to establish this.

 

[ROSM]

Yes, but here’s the thing: I don’t know if you personally said this, but a LOT of Labour supporters on here were saying an Inquiry would be a waste of money, time, etc. They were quite adamant in parroting the party line.

Now the party line has changed, suddenly it’s all supporting of the inquiry.

It goes to show what a mess people get themselves into supporting their party, when they party keeps changing policy.

Same for WFA. Every pensioner is a secret millionaire, they don’t need it etc. oh wait, they’ve reversed the decision - what I meant was it needed tightening up, but lots do need it as I always said.

Ridiculous.

Actually I and many others felt (and saod on here) a new Inquiry could delay the implementation of the Jay report recommendations. I also said that that if new information came to light that hadn't been presented previously that a new inquiry should happen. That could have been via a local inquiry.

That the govt asked Baroness Casey to do a speedy review and have acted 100% on her recommendations doesn't look like a govt (or supporters of that govt) wanting to hide or bury anything.

Public inquiries are hugely expensive and tome consuming but if one is needed then it must (and is) happening

Interestingly Maggie Oliver who was very critical of the govt, also felt that a new public inquiry wasn't correct and would delay things. So this isnt a left or right thing

 

[ROSM]

I've already agreed with you that Inquiry must focus on ALL CSE, however the unsubstantiated statement you made previously was "All previous research indicates that the vast majority of large scale CSE is carried out by white, mainly male, gangs." which I believe to be untrue and from the initial statements from Baroness Casey would seem to back that up.

Actually she doesn't. Her attendance at the select committee today was very clear that child abuse is seen as predominantly a white crime and child exploitation an Asian one and that this needs wider evidence and data to assess which isn't routinely collected and assessed today or previously and that many agencies were trying to avoid providing hence the need for a public inquiry that compels providing this evidence. Don't forget that this is the main reason why Casey believes a PI is now needed when her initial assessment and that of the govt, was that it wasn't.

 

[darkwolf666]

I've already agreed with you that Inquiry must focus on ALL CSE, however the unsubstantiated statement you made previously was "All previous research indicates that the vast majority of large scale CSE is carried out by white, mainly male, gangs." which I believe to be untrue and from the initial statements from Baroness Casey would seem to back that up.

Here's one, admittedly from 2020, but to be fair many of the offences often quoted are from earlier than this.

Section 5.1.3 covers the ethnicity and explains the data, that was available at the time. Interestingly it indicates that BAME suspects (as defined at that time) were under represented as a percentage of population, but due to lack of data collection there wasn't evidence to individual ethnicities!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...accessible-version#offender-characteristics-1

 

[Chicken Run]

It’s been said before but i’ll say again, a small section of this board are seemingly interested in confirming that the grooming gangs are Asian whilst a bigger percentage seem keen to remind us, and hope later to prove, that the gangs could be caucasian, meanwhile a few of us ( i hope more) are hoping these poor girls can somehow piece their lives together for some sort of normality of what remains.

 

[darkwolf666]

It’s been said before but i’ll say again, a small section of this board are seemingly interested in confirming that the grooming gangs are Asian whilst a bigger percentage seem keen to remind us, and hope later to prove, that the gangs could be caucasian, meanwhile a few of us ( i hope more) are hoping these poor girls can somehow piece their lives together for some sort of normality of what remains.

Totally agree 100% with that sentiment. Politics and vote winning needs to be taken off the table.

 

[ROSM]

It’s been said before but i’ll say again, a small section of this board are seemingly interested in confirming that the grooming gangs are Asian whilst a bigger percentage seem keen to remind us, and hope later to prove, that the gangs could be caucasian, meanwhile a few of us ( i hope more) are hoping these poor girls can somehow piece their lives together for some sort of normality of what remains.

That's simplistic and wrong.

A large number of people are looking to blame Asians. Some people are saying that isn't a proven fact.

I would hope all are keen to ensure justice. But as many on this board have proven, its only justice if it is against people you hate.

And let's remember that Baroness Casey herself criticised those politicians this today and having this on a Labour meltdown thread and accusing starmer of u turns is doing just that.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Actually I and many others felt (and saod on here) a new Inquiry could delay the implementation of the Jay report recommendations. I also said that that if new information came to light that hadn't been presented previously that a new inquiry should happen. That could have been via a local inquiry.

That the govt asked Baroness Casey to do a speedy review and have acted 100% on her recommendations doesn't look like a govt (or supporters of that govt) wanting to hide or bury anything.

Public inquiries are hugely expensive and tome consuming but if one is needed then it must (and is) happening

Interestingly Maggie Oliver who was very critical of the govt, also felt that a new public inquiry wasn't correct and would delay things. So this isnt a left or right thing

Maggie Oliver wanted an inquiry into the local covering Up on the few times I heard her, I'm not sure I'd say she wasn't right or left (apologies if that's not what your suggesting)

 

[ROSM]

Maggie Oliver wanted an inquiry into the local covering Up on the few times I heard her, I'm not sure I'd say she wasn't right or left (apologies if that's not what your suggesting)

On bbc last night she said she felt a national public inquiry wont help. It may have been taken out of context

My comment on right of left was trying to de politicise what is ultimately about justice for the victims and protecting future young people. Penetrative sex by an adult male on an u16 being classed as rape is key start

 

[cunning fergus]

It’s been said before but i’ll say again, a small section of this board are seemingly interested in confirming that the grooming gangs are Asian whilst a bigger percentage seem keen to remind us, and hope later to prove, that the gangs could be caucasian, meanwhile a few of us ( i hope more) are hoping these poor girls can somehow piece their lives together for some sort of normality of what remains.

They are merely continuing to fight yesterday’s war, where in their minds contemporary U.K. society is filled to the gunnels with people that buy everyone else a coke. It is a society where decades of mass immigration has delivered warm feelings of nationhood between the long standing citizens of this country and their new compatriots who have arrived in their millions and delivered prosperity in abundance.

It’s why they haven’t understood or read Chapter 6 of the Casey Report……..

 

[ROSM]

They are merely continuing to fight yesterday’s war, where in their minds contemporary U.K. society is filled to the gunnels with people that buy everyone else a coke. It is a society where decades of mass immigration has delivered warm feelings of nationhood between the long standing citizens of this country and their new compatriots who have arrived in their millions and delivered prosperity in abundance.

It’s why they haven’t understood or read Chapter 6 of the Casey Report……..

Chapter 6 covering Denial is also where it references weaponsing the trauma of victims for political ends. It's reprehensible