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chip

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You mean type one diabetic Diane Abbot, who when she made her infamous misspeak on Police numbers was having a hypoglycaemic episode?

But, you carry on taking the piss out of someone with a chronic medical condition.
Isn't she T2DM? It was Theresa May who is T1DM. I don't think Ms Abbott was hypoglycaemic as it's unlikely she would have been using insulin.
Agree with your point though (y)
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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First 11 months seems pretty tame compared to the Tories meltdown thread. Almost boring

Tories are history, gone, finished , and rightly so.

This thread about the Labour Party, who we all had such high hopes for.

They're doing some good things, but it's being lost in their shambolic PR, unprepared Ministers and U-turns.
 


Simster

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Tories are history, gone, finished , and rightly so.

This thread about the Labour Party, who we all had such high hopes for.

They're doing some good things, but it's being lost in their shambolic PR, unprepared Ministers and U-turns.
This. The Tories of the last 13 years were the worst government I have ever seen and probably ever will, so I want a bit more than "well it's not as bad as the last lot".

This Labour government has been poor to middling, and people have every right to hold them to account (even if the expected standards for Labour appear to be much higher than for the Conservatives).
 


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Isn't she T2DM? It was Theresa May who is T1DM. I don't think Ms Abbott was hypoglycaemic as it's unlikely she would have been using insulin.
Agree with your point though (y)


You can be hypoglycaemic with T2 diabetes. Low blood sugar can occur due to a chaotic lifestyle, skipping meals etc.

She said at the time that it was due to low blood sugar as she had skipped breakfast.

I apologise, she is T2,
 






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Does anyone else have an uncomfortable feeling that the grooming inquiry has been greenlit ahead of a major story set to break soon?

It could just be part of Labour’s strategy of taking on Reform after their terrible election performance, along with the WFA u-turn.

But something is telling me there might be another trial or something either ongoing or about to start, and by getting in now it would help soften some of the inevitable outcry.

I could be wrong, just a hunch.
Hold on. The Middle East is on the verge of nuclear war and you think this is to hush up a court case?

To reverse the the old adage, this is a pretty bad time to release good news.
 


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First 11 months seems pretty tame compared to the Tories meltdown thread. Almost boring
What, so everything just has to stop because the last lot were terrible?

Come on, this is a feeble argument. Were you happy watching us get thrashed last season because our team is better than it was in 1997?

This is about Labour, who have made lots of mistakes. That doesn’t mean the Tories weren’t an absolute shower. But they’re gone now and life is going on.
 




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Hold on. The Middle East is on the verge of nuclear war and you think this is to hush up a court case?

To reverse the the old adage, this is a pretty bad time to release good news.
I don’t think hushing up is the term I’d use, in fact I think the opposite, the media is going to be all over the next court case of that type and it would be really useful to be able to point to an Inquiry in progress for their “we’re listening” PR response.

BUT as I say, it’s a guess - a hunch - and could very well be wrong. I just wouldn’t be surprised if later this year there is another big news story about this matter.
 


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I don’t think hushing up is the term I’d use, in fact I think the opposite, the media is going to be all over the next court case of that type and it would be really useful to be able to point to an Inquiry in progress for their “we’re listening” PR response.

BUT as I say, it’s a guess - a hunch - and could very well be wrong. I just wouldn’t be surprised if later this year there is another big news story about this matter.
If we're all still here........

Well, if we are, and it does, at least you can say you told us so. Or rather, this post is so vague that you actually can't. Do you write horoscopes for tabloids in your spare time?
 


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If we're all still here........

Well, if we are, and it does, at least you can say you told us so. Or rather, this post is so vague that you actually can't. Do you write horoscopes for tabloids in your spare time?
Settle down xx
 




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It is an excellent article. Unfortunately those that need to read it won't.

It is, bar one aspect that makes it a parody of itself. All the references are associated with the political right wing - Reform, the tories, the mail, telegraph etc. No mention of how the Labour gov or left wing media do exactly the same. Sadly this is the political norm on all sides.

So this article is itself trying to hide the mal practice of the those with the author’s political leaning by blaming those he doesn’t agree with.

ie exactly what he is attempting to call out!
 


rogersix

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It is, bar one aspect that makes it a parody of itself. All the references are associated with the political right wing - Reform, the tories, the mail, telegraph etc. No mention of how the Labour gov or left wing media do exactly the same. Sadly this is the political norm on all sides.

So this article is itself trying to hide the mal practice of the those with the author’s political leaning by blaming those he doesn’t agree with.

ie exactly what he is attempting to call out!
any examples?
 










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Can you provide a source for that ?, I don't think anyone would dispute CSE being mainly perpetrated by white british given the large majority in this country but the below link gives credence to the view that there is an over representation of asian minorities committing the group child sexual abuse when viewed as a percentage of population. Hopefully the new finding from the report to produce better demographic data of both offenders and victims will answer a grey area question.


If you read further down the statements are:
Whilst the Children’s Commissioner for England did not make a distinction between groups and gangs, it described Asian and Black offenders as being seen as perpetrators of group-based CSE in proportions greater than expected from their proportions of the general population, and in greater proportions than when looking at all forms of CSE (ibid.). Combined with the fact that ethnicity was frequently unknown or unrecorded and that a large number of police forces did not make a return, this dataset is therefore only partial and unsuitable for generalisation. Additionally, it is worth noting that law enforcement data are particularly vulnerable to bias, in terms of which cases come to the attention of authorities, and this can impact the generalisability of such data (Cockbain et al., 2020).

CEOP analysed 2,379 people referred for alleged involvement in ’localised grooming’; some of these will have been CSE. Of these, 1,162 people had to be excluded from the analysis due to a lack of basic information about them, showing the lack of consistent and detailed recording in some areas. When ethnicity was examined for the remaining 1,217 individuals, it was found that 30% were White and 28% were Asian. However, with a further 38% of alleged offenders being of unknown ethnicity, it is not possible to draw any firm conclusions from these figures (CEOP, 2011).

Both CEOP and the Children’s Commissioner for England’s studies demonstrate that offending is not solely an Asian problem, but problems with the data make them unsuitable for drawing further conclusions. The Drew review found that 65.1% of CSE suspects identified between January 2014 and January 2016 were White North European (with a further 2.4% being White South European), 19.1% were Asian, 3.7% were Black and 4.3% were ‘Other’. However, ethnicity was not known or recorded in 5.3% of cases and these proportions were not compared with local populations (Drew, 2016). Regardless, these numbers further dispute the idea of offending being unique to one ethnic group.

Research by Quilliam asserted that 84% of 264 offenders convicted for grooming gang offences between 2005 and 2017 were Asian, 8% were Black, 7% were White and 1% were of unknown ethnicity (Rafiq and Adil, 2017). This figure of 84% has been widely repeated as academic evidence for an extreme over-representation of Asian offenders despite a lack of clarity about sampling and data analysis methods (Cockbain and Tufail, 2020). For example, the authors identify 264 offenders, but do not specify how they were found, or how their ethnicity was categorised. These findings are therefore not suitable for drawing conclusions about ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders.
As you have clearly demonstrated, with your quotes and links, the waters are VERY muddied - often for political reasons and poor recording...!
 


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It is, bar one aspect that makes it a parody of itself. All the references are associated with the political right wing - Reform, the tories, the mail, telegraph etc. No mention of how the Labour gov or left wing media do exactly the same. Sadly this is the political norm on all sides.

So this article is itself trying to hide the mal practice of the those with the author’s political leaning by blaming those he doesn’t agree with.

ie exactly what he is attempting to call out!
That article featured loads of recent examples from those institutions you mention. You'll also have to find examples from Labour and the 'left wing media' that have bounced dead cats of late. You'll probably struggle because:
-- Labour are pretty much on the back foot all the time. This is in part self-inflicted through lacking a clear vision, but it is arguably more because they're constantly defending themselves from the hostility that the media inflict upon them
-- there isn't exactly a list of 'left wing media' that spring to mind
-- to what extent there is, they have a far greater range of viewpoints many of which are highly critical of the government
 




nevergoagain

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As you have clearly demonstrated, with your quotes and links, the waters are VERY muddied - often for political reasons and poor recording...!
If you listen to Baroness Casey it doesn't sound as though it's going to be that muddy, more of a cover up. I'll leave it there though now.
 


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