[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[jcdenton08]

Can I just shock you? I like wine, despite what I said earlier. At any one time I’ve got ten bottles of wine in the house.

 

[BadFish]

Can I just shock you? I like wine, despite what I said earlier. At any one time I’ve got ten bottles of wine in the house.

I'll live with being criticised for changing my mind when the facts change. The alternative is highly unappealing to me.

But each to their own.

 

[Weststander]

Follow up on BBC2 Newsnight with abuse victims just started, Baroness Casey there too.

[Not party political btw! Smacks more of the Post Office scandal imho].

 

[darkwolf666]

If you listen to Baroness Casey it doesn't sound as though it's going to be that muddy, more of a cover up. I'll leave it there though now.

What, the new findings are going to be a cover up?

Hopefully, as I said before, the inquiry will be into ALL known group / CSE offences to try and find out how and why it happens, and not just a focus on Asian gangs…

There is a lot that can be done better, but it will take money, like better funding social services and police CSE teams for starters. A change in culture to belief of the victim (which I feel from my experience is happening more) is also incredibly important.

Giving young people a feeling of self worth and future would also help, but that’s a very difficult one to solve quickly…

 

[darkwolf666]

Follow up on BBC2 Newsnight with abuse victims just started, Baroness Casey there too.

[Not party political btw! Smacks more of the Post Office scandal imho].

The Post Office scandal.

Hillsborough…

Grenfell…

John Charles de Menesez….

All have that feeling of people in high positions, and again not just politicians not doing 'the right thing' for a variety of reasons!

 

[nevergoagain]

What, the new findings are going to be a cover up?

Hopefully, as I said before, the inquiry will be into ALL known group / CSE offences to try and find out how and why it happens, and not just a focus on Asian gangs…

There is a lot that can be done better, but it will take money, like better funding social services and police CSE teams for starters. A change in culture to belief of the victim (which I feel from my experience is happening more) is also incredibly important.

Giving young people a feeling of self worth and future would also help, but that’s a very difficult one to solve quickly…

No, I honestly think if the inquiry is done fully that we will find that councils, police, politicians & especially local communities will have covered up swept it under the carpet.

Totally agree on the other points, I hope the new investigation of old cases delivers what it should and also takes in account those family members who knew what was going on but chose to ignore at best or at worst were complicit. I'd also love to see a proper sentencing policy but I think that's wishful thinking.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No, I honestly think if the inquiry is done fully that we will find that councils, police, politicians & especially local communities will have covered up swept it under the carpet.

Totally agree on the other points, I hope the new investigation of old cases delivers what it should and also takes in account those family members who knew what was going on but chose to ignore at best or at worst were complicit. I'd also love to see a proper sentencing policy but I think that's wishful thinking.

Good to see that you are waiting for the results of the new inquiry before jumping to conclusions. And what if it doesn't find what you expect, another inquiry ?

I don't think anyone is saying it's solely an Asian thing are they ?. But those figures you've quoted are stating 31% of grooming gangs are black or asian and 42% white, out of a population where 81% are white.

And what if they don't find this ? Another inquiry ?

 

[worthingweird]

You did

That was for the County council elections...

 

[nevergoagain]

Good to see that you are waiting for the results of the new inquiry before jumping to conclusions. And what if it doesn't find what you expect, another enquiry ?



And what if they don't find this ? Another enquiry ?

Am I not allowed an opinion then, after all you seem to have one on every topic on this board, or do you just get off on sniping all day ?.

 

[WATFORD zero]

That was for the County council elections...

So you are so enamoured by Nige and his mob, that you would also like them to run your local council as well ? That certainly fits my definition of a Reform supporter

 

[DJ NOBO]

Starmer’s opposition to this inquiry was always his fear of what it might uncover. That is, Labour MPs, Labour councillors & local “community” leaders being complicit in the cover up. Also the effect this inquiry might have on the Labour Muslim vote, critical in at least 30 seats. The Casey report has meant he can no longer hide. The report must get to the bottom of how the fear of racism and racial tensions prevented the proper criminal investigations into these terrible events. The heads of all the guilty must roll.

If there was a reluctance to order the inquiry for the reasons you suggest, it’s not specifically a Labour issue , or a left / right issue. It is a political class issue. Politicians at many levels, representing many parties, potentially at serious fault.

 

[Bozza]

I can't hold back on this any more - there's been some utterly disgraceful posts from a lot of people who really should know better.

It's a public inquiry, or inquiry for short.

It's not a public enquiry, nor an enquiry.

Do better, please, NSC - I'm very, very disappointed.

 

[Boroseagull]

If there was a reluctance to order the inquiry for the reasons you suggest, it’s not specifically a Labour issue , or a left / right issue. It is a political class issue. Politicians at many levels, representing many parties, potentially at serious fault.

Whilst I agree with you wholeheartedly in what you say the point I was clumsily trying to issue was Starmer's reluctance to agree to the inquiry. Remember he said back in January this year people demanding the said inquiry 'as jumping on the far-right bandwagon'. Now 6 months later he enacts another of his spectacular 'U turns'. So is he now, by his own definition, classed as 'far right'?

 

[carlzeiss]

I disagree - the call from Reform and belatedly now they're not in power from the Tories, was an inquiry into specifically Muslim grooming gangs.

As far as I can tell that's not what's being proposed, but an over-arching inquiry into ALL known group CSE cases.

Unfortunately for the right, this will also shine a very bright light on our own homegrown offenders too, and rather take the wind out of their sails*.

All previous research indicates that the vast majority of large scale CSE is carried out by white, mainly male, gangs.

The major difference, unlike previous incumbents of the PM position, Starmer has asked someone to look at the evidence and IS then going to act on what they have brought to him!

*I can already hear the "ah, but it's about percentages, innit"!

Dream on foxy

Whilst I agree with you wholeheartedly in what you say the point I was clumsily trying to issue was Starmer's reluctance to agree to the inquiry. Remember he said back in January this year people demanding the said inquiry 'as jumping on the far-right bandwagon'. Now 6 months later he enacts another of his spectacular 'U turns'. So is he now, by his own definition, classed as 'far right'?

If it's OK for Sir Kier to be "far right" then it must be OK for everyone now

 

[WATFORD zero]

Dream on foxy


If it's OK for Sir Kier to be "far right" then it must be OK for everyone now

It's OK for you to be far right, but just don't go all snowflake when you get called out for it, same as always.

 

[Giraffe]

I've always struggled with getting inquiry right then someone pointed out the IN is because you're looking IN to it. You're not looking EN to it are you?

It's stuck ever since.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It's OK for you to be far right, but just don't go all snowflake when you get called out for it, same as always.

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Great research mate....nice edit too!

 

[nevergoagain]

It's OK for you to be far right, but just don't go all snowflake when you get called out for it, same as always.

Do you have a dossier on all those you disagree with (next to that pile of used kleenex). Just an excuse to use your new favourite word "Snowflake" ?

Back on topic, did you ready anything that Baroness Casey said ?.

"disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation"

"We found many examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist, raising community tensions or causing community cohesion problems,"

You carry on with your self indulgent point scoring though.

 

[Diablo]

I can't hold back on this any more - there's been some utterly disgraceful posts from a lot of people who really should know better.

It's a public inquiry, or inquiry for short.

It's not a public enquiry, nor an enquiry.

Do better, please, NSC - I'm very, very disappointed.

Many on NSC have an enquiry about the inquiry. No problem with that.

 

[Chicken Run]

I've always struggled with getting inquiry right then someone pointed out the IN is because you're looking IN to it. You're not looking EN to it are you?

It's stuck ever since.

Can i inquire who told you that?