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The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Clobbering protestors with camera equipment or dragging them around the tarmac is only going to foster a more aggressive type of protestor who will hit back.
Then you have a fight. Then you have disorder and rioting.

It did make me chuckle though. Who doesn’t like a bit of wallop! now and again.
 




jcdenton08

Enemy of the People
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Oct 17, 2008
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Clobbering protestors with camera equipment or dragging them around the tarmac is only going to foster a more aggressive type of protestor who will hit back.
Then you have a fight. Then you have disorder and rioting.

It did make me chuckle though. Who doesn’t like a bit of wallop! now and again.
Agree. Don’t want to see that kind of thing as a rule, but it was amusing. Needed a comedy “boing” sound effect.
 


Jim in the West

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Sep 13, 2003
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Britain accounts for less than 2% 0f global emissions....you do realise that don't you ...?? Asia , China , USA and Russia are the major offenders ....Joylon and Tarquin throwing tomato soup at ambulances is a totally futile display of misplaced energy.
We might as well all give up doing anything, then. Why even bother to vote....just one vote isn't going to change anything!
 


tronnogull

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May 17, 2010
561
I seem to recall that the protesters who were given jail sentences for the M25 stunts are New Zealanders who had specifically come to the UK to encourage this sort of protest.........if this is correct then they certainly weren't picking a country where their efforts could make the largest impact on emissions.......
 


LamieRobertson

Not awoke
Feb 3, 2008
47,064
SHOREHAM BY SEA
Clobbering protestors with camera equipment or dragging them around the tarmac is only going to foster a more aggressive type of protestor who will hit back.
Then you have a fight. Then you have disorder and rioting.

It did make me chuckle though. Who doesn’t like a bit of wallop! now and again.
Exactly
 




Billy the Fish

Technocrat
Oct 18, 2005
17,515
Haywards Heath
I am not going to pretend I wouldn't be pissed off if I had somewhere to be and JSO blocked the road, but I really do wonder what the alternative to direct action should be? As Chris Packham pointed out in that video above, he attended an anti-fossil fuel rally with 60,000 others and it wasn't even mentioned in any printed or visual media except a few inches in The Times. Yet a few people throw some powder over a snooker table and suddenly there is a discussion to be had.

If you're not at least sympathetic to the direct protestors than I'm glad you weren't around when our football club needed saving, because that wasn't achieved by a handful of strongly worded letters to the Albion board at the time, I can tell you.
I was around and I don't think it's a fair comparison. All of our protests were targeted and relevant to what we were protesting about, i.e the sale of the ground and ownership of the club. It all happened at the ground or a related location such as Lancaster gate and a*cher's house.

If we'd all turned up at the snooker or cricket and ruined it for other people then everyone would've quite rightly called us selfish attention seeking tossers and we would've lost any public sympathy. (see also vandalising art and making the general public late for work/appointments)

People are arguing that any coverage is good coverage but as far as I can see the only debate these protesters have started is about their method of protest, and the vast majority is against them. They haven't started a public debate about oil exploration, so what's the point? I'd like to know how their measuring their own success and what their KPIs are. I suspect it's simply column inches for the sake of it.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I was around and I don't think it's a fair comparison. All of our protests were targeted and relevant to what we were protesting about, i.e the sale of the ground and ownership of the club. It all happened at the ground or a related location such as Lancaster gate and a*cher's house.

If we'd all turned up at the snooker or cricket and ruined it for other people then everyone would've quite rightly called us selfish attention seeking tossers and we would've lost any public sympathy. (see also vandalising art and making the general public late for work/appointments)

People are arguing that any coverage is good coverage but as far as I can see the only debate these protesters have started is about their method of protest, and the vast majority is against them. They haven't started a public debate about oil exploration, so what's the point? I'd like to know how their measuring their own success and what their KPIs are. I suspect it's simply column inches for the sake of it.
I can remember the coverage when Brighton fans invaded the pitch and broke the crossbar on the goal. The press coverage was not very sympathetic at all.

Part of the reason, I am sympathetic to these protestors is to do with renewables and vested interests by politicians in charge who are actually being paid to lobby.

The other reason is that any form of protest now is being handled very badly. The new legislation which came into law in April is draconian. Press being arrested for covering the situation, a woman arrested because she stood near the protestors, a man in the West Country arrested for holding up a blank card when royalty were nearby.

Our protests would be illegal now.
 


Billy the Fish

Technocrat
Oct 18, 2005
17,515
Haywards Heath
The new legislation which came into law in April is draconian. Press being arrested for covering the situation, a woman arrested because she stood near the protestors, a man in the West Country arrested for holding up a blank card when royalty were nearby.

Our protests would be illegal now.
The new legislation is a direct repose the their tactics. Should the press be allowed to film and glorify law breaking? One of the LBC journalists filmed people smashing up petrol pumps and instantly circulated it to millions on their twitter account. Then they complained they were being picked on :facepalm:

Some of our protests were illegal, the pitch invasions for sure. If you mean the marches, I think you're wrong. They were all sanctioned by the police at the time and organised way in advance.
Despite the misinformation you keep repeating, JSO don't give any advanced notice and thier protests aren't sanctioned.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
The new legislation is a direct repose the their tactics. Should the press be allowed to film and glorify law breaking? One of the LBC journalists filmed people smashing up petrol pumps and instantly circulated it to millions on their twitter account. Then they complained they were being picked on :facepalm:

Some of our protests were illegal, the pitch invasions for sure. If you mean the marches, I think you're wrong. They were all sanctioned by the police at the time and organised way in advance.
Despite the misinformation you keep repeating, JSO don't give any advanced notice and thier protests aren't sanctioned.
Journalists film and report on wars. Is that glorifying war?

Do the press deserve to be locked up, searched, equipment confiscated including their families devices, and then released the next day with no transport to get back to their own vehicles?
It’s intimidation.
It was intimidation and ruled unlawful afterwards, at the Sarah Everard vigil/protest so don’t think it can’t happen elsewhere.
 




portlock seagull

Why? Why us?
Jul 28, 2003
17,361
We might as well all give up doing anything, then. Why even bother to vote....just one vote isn't going to change anything!
The new laws are designed to protect the corrupt Tory government and their business chums.

They’re sold as protecting you from the likes of JSO.
Precisely.

I don’t need protecting from JSO.

I do however from this government.
 












worthingweird

Active member
Mar 8, 2023
280
Clobbering protestors with camera equipment or dragging them around the tarmac is only going to foster a more aggressive type of protestor who will hit back.
Then you have a fight. Then you have disorder and rioting.

It did make me chuckle though. Who doesn’t like a bit of wallop! now and again.
What they need is a backhander...
 










LamieRobertson

Not awoke
Feb 3, 2008
47,064
SHOREHAM BY SEA
Someone’s been reading the Daily Mail too much! 😂

A post full of absolute hate, people would think you’re talking about Putin rather than someone trying to save the world. Have a word with yourself.
Ah of course the DM….the auto go to retort …fine by me as along as it can be mixed with having a swing at Guardian readers

no i dont read the DM and no of course he shouldn’t break his neck or anything else for that matter ..even his fingernail
 
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