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[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League



essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
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It seems to me the NSC echo chamber effect has moved the hive mind from convinced Palace will be fine to indignation that UEFA should even consider it.

What started as just a gentle teasing of our resident Palace bunnies could leave a lot of us fuming when the dust settles.

It would be hilarious if it happened but I really wouldn't recommend letting yourselves believe it will.
You need to keep up mate. ;) We've moved on.
 




GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
51,739
Gloucester
So that this is clear cut, let's say Wolves won the League Cup.

Top 5 get Champions league, Villa get Europa, Palace get Europa, Wolves get Conference. Forest get nothing.

Palace would be kicked out of the Europa (owning multiple clubs), and Forest (highest team in the league not in Europa or above) would get their place. Palace could be given a Conference place. Obviously Wolves wouldn't lose their Conference League place (they won the League Cup and qualified), so that means England get an extra place.
What have Wolves got to do with it? How would it work out if, say, Stoke had won it?
 






Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
55,803
Goldstone
I suspect that would be where 'exceptionally' and 'may still be admitted' would come into play to avoid a country benefitting in this way.

The point is, that in my example, Wolves would have qualified and couldn't be kicked out, and in the actual fact for this year, Brighton would have qualified (by virtue of finishing 8th) and shouldn't be kicked out. It's Newcastle's Conference League place, and they're not taking it, so it goes to the next place in the league. That's us. If, after losing their Europa League place, Palace were given a Conference place, that should be in addition, it shouldn't replace another team who has it.
 




kevo

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Mar 8, 2008
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Kaveh Solhekol is absolutely appalling. Completely biased and misinformed on this story with pro Palace hyperbole. Yeah it's not great for their fans but the rules have been broken. What does he mean 'common sense'.

Can we all collectively complain about the weasel of a reporter to someone/something or better still, get Marinakis at Forest to make 'representations' to Sky Sports.
His article on the Sky website reads like a CPFC press release. One defence he put forward was 'Everyone in football knows Steve Parrish runs the club'.

A pathetic excuse of a 'journalist'.
 








Yes Chef

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Apr 11, 2016
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Wolves was a random team used as an example to help slow people understand that they couldn't have their place taken away. I may have overestimated my audience.

So what you're saying is, Wolves
Yeah, but, why Wolves?!


Because introducing random, non relevant teams in a difficult to follow thread seemed to be a good idea.

That's Steve Parrish level metrics
 




ConfusedGloryHunter

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Jul 6, 2011
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The point is, that in my example, Wolves would have qualified and couldn't be kicked out, and in the actual fact for this year, Brighton would have qualified (by virtue of finishing 8th) and shouldn't be kicked out. It's Newcastle's Conference League place, and they're not taking it, so it goes to the next place in the league. That's us. If, after losing their Europa League place, Palace were given a Conference place, that should be in addition, it shouldn't replace another team who has it.
My understanding is that then Wolves would take the conference spot and Palace miss out completely.

"...may still be admitted to another UEFA club competition (i.e. in descending order: UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League) to which the relevant national association has access..."

To me that suggests it only applies to clubs that have qualified for Champions League or Europa through their league placement and if there is a lower competition spot available (again based on league position) then they can be entered into that instead.

So if this season Chelsea had failed the MCO check (because Toad Boehly also owned Marseille or something) they could be dropped to the Europe League just fine (and Villa promoted of course). But if Wolves had won the league cup (so no Conf League for 7th placed in the league) and Villa (6th in the league) had failed the MCO then Villa would miss out completely, not get a bonus conference spot.

But that is just my interpretation, they really haven't made those rules (ahem) crystal clear have they?
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
My understanding is that then Wolves would take the conference spot and Palace miss out completely.

Makes sense.

"...may still be admitted to another UEFA club competition (i.e. in descending order: UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League) to which the relevant national association has access..."

To me that suggests it only applies to clubs that have qualified for Champions League or Europa through their league placement and if there is a lower competition spot available (again based on league position) then they can be entered into that instead.

So if this season Chelsea had failed the MCO check (because Toad Boehly also owned Marseille or something) they could be dropped to the Europe League just fine (and Villa promoted of course).

That makes perfect sense. So a club achieved a place in Europe based on league position, but couldn't take that place, so they drop down to a lower competition, still using their league place as their method of qualification. Makes total sense.

But that's not how Palace have qualified, so even if there wasn't an issue with them being in the Conference League (there may be), they wouldn't qualify anyway.
 


madinthehead

I have changed this
Jan 22, 2009
1,791
Oberursel, Germany
Quite right.

Tony Bloom, the renowned philanthropist, makes small minority investments in football clubs as a way to help them out by sharing some of his financial good fortune throughout the footballing world.

None of this Billy Big Bollocks stuff of buying up football clubs left, right and centre like a 7-year-old playing monopoly for the first time. No strategic joined-up thinking, just throwing cash all over the place with what I can only describe as gay abandon.
Hear, hear!
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
51,739
Gloucester
Kaveh Solhekol is absolutely appalling. Completely biased and misinformed on this story with pro Palace hyperbole. Yeah it's not great for their fans but the rules have been broken. What does he mean 'common sense'.

Can we all collectively complain about the weasel of a reporter to someone/something or better still, get Marinakis at Forest to make 'representations' to Sky Sports.
On that showing he's not a real reporter.
 




Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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Brighton
This Palace fan..

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Who's gunna tell him?
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex








Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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Back in Sussex
So if Palace get booted out, then Wolves will play in Europe next season. Have I got that right?
Wolves deserve it more than the multi-club cheats, yes.
 




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