Hasn't Arch*r done well!

[sir albion]

Sir Albion, where you there during those days? Have you read 'Build a Bonfire'? Never forget, never allow anyone else to do that to a football club!

I was at the last games at the goldstone,and also i had a season ticket for 2 seasons at gillingham

That of course has nout to do with it,look if you wanna spend the rest of your years having a grudge thats your choice,i on the other hand couldn't give two shits what archer and co are upto now as its not important "FACT".

Once we move into falmer its a new era and rubbing falmer into archer and co also makes f-all diffrence because they couldn't give a shite anyway.Christ some people on here need to get a life as whats done is done and we have moved on.

Of course thats my opinion as many of you obviously have a severe grudge for life.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

I dont necessarily think that the financial mismanagement of the club can be totally laid at the door of Archer/Stanley.....remember the Bedson days...remember Barry LLoyd having to sell all the players as we were broke, remember Beeney being sold the day the Inland Revenue were going to wind us up?

The sad fact about Brighton and hove albion is that we always live beyond our means......falmer will not be anything different that we have not seen. our only sucessful time came when a sugar daddy type bankrolled the club and when he left, we went into freefall.

I agree with you on this Dave but imo the decline started well before Mike Bamber left - 10 year player contracts being an example of the financial nonsense at that time.

 

[The Large One]

Surely the transparency that should have arisen with the reinstatement of the 'No profit' clause would've made it difficult for Archer to skim off money from a increased deal?

Far better to do it on the quiet. Allegedly.

Or...

Because of the 'No Profit' clause, Archer couldn't profit from the sale by Brighton & Hove Albion of The Goldstone Ground (perfectly clear, transparent and legal), so he could have profited instead from the sale by Chartwell of The Goldstone Ground (none of your f***ing business, old son).

 

[El Presidente]

Or...

Because of the 'No Profit' clause, Archer couldn't profit from the sale by Brighton & Hove Albion of The Goldstone Ground (perfectly clear, transparent and legal), so he could have profited instead from the sale by Chartwell of The Goldstone Ground (none of your f***ing business, old son).

Could be, alternatively Chartwell had the Albion over a barrel as no one else willing to buy the ground at the time (or Bellotti was so idiotic he didn't know how to market the site), and they kept all the profits.

 

[The Large One]

Could be, alternatively Chartwell had the Albion over a barrel as no one else willing to buy the ground at the time (or Bellotti was so idiotic he didn't know how to market the site), and they kept all the profits.

The Albion's board had themselves over a barrel.

There were many ways of re-structuring the debt, so selling the ground wasn't a necessity, but they still chose the course of oblivion.

 

[csider]

O let it drop jesus
its history move on

 

[csider]

Left his mark on football.............

A f***ing SKID mark.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

It might be worth remembering that Dick Knight never claimed to have much money and, indeed, i suspect Archer and certainly Stanley were & are much richer than Knight. Yet those greedy bastards were still intent on robbing us.

How did they profit? maybe by lending the club at exhorbitant rates plus loads of penalties. So, they decide not to pay back and the interest & pens mount so, when they cash in there's so much more owed to them.

 

[drew]

In the world that these people move in, I'm sure that the movers and shakers HAVE noticed his success at the Albion. He bought the company for £56.25 and ended up making £10 million.

A smaller scale deal than the Focus DIY affair (where the directors made a personal profit of £930 million out of a business that has lost £1.3 billion), but the principle is the same.

There's a lot of money to be made out there, provided you don't give a shit.

Don't just look at the Albion's accounts. Look the profit made by selling on the Goldstone Ground.

I'm no fan of Archer but where is there any evidence other than suposition that he got a kickback from Chartwell? Surely by now someone would have looked into that and found more evidence. If' he had taken a kickback then he would have risked far more. It would make no sense.

I dont necessarily think that the financial mismanagement of the club can be totally laid at the door of Archer/Stanley.....remember the Bedson days...remember Barry LLoyd having to sell all the players as we were broke, remember Beeney being sold the day the Inland Revenue were going to wind us up?

The sad fact about Brighton and hove albion is that we always live beyond our means......falmer will not be anything different that we have not seen. our only sucessful time came when a sugar daddy type bankrolled the club and when he left, we went into freefall.

The Albion's board had themselves over a barrel.

There were many ways of re-structuring the debt, so selling the ground wasn't a necessity, but they still chose the course of oblivion.

We were never going to stay at the Goldstone regardless of who was in charge. The site could not be suitably developed due to the restrictive covenants in place. Look how many clubs, both big and small, since then that have moved to new grounds.

For christ's sake, don't anyone forget the past but for pity sake don't dwell on it as well.

 

[Gritt23]

O let it drop jesus
its history move on

Credit to you for getting a wind-up on this thread so early, and for continuing to play devils advocate (quite literally, in the case of Archer) 3 pages later.


As for Archer himself, I don't actually HATE many people in this World, I don't think they are worth it. It isn't a healthy emotion, and is a word used far too freely these days, when the World would be a better place with less of it and more love. But Archer, I do absolutely, totally and completely HATE. I always will do, he is a scum-sucking low-life piece of cock-sputum, who raped and abused our beloved football club over a period of years.

I will never forget, and I will never forgive.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

12 Pages.

 

[The Large One]

I'm no fan of Archer but where is there any evidence other than suposition that he got a kickback from Chartwell? Surely by now someone would have looked into that and found more evidence. If' he had taken a kickback then he would have risked far more. It would make no sense.

There is no way anyone could ever look into that deal, and now it's too late.

Irrespective of the fact that the sale of the ground was so badly handled (as far as the football club is concerned - we're still 'homeless'), other debt re-structuring packages were available at the time and the sale itself wasn't necessary.

That's what makes it so suspicious.

 

[The Large One]

Unless I read the accounts incorrectly, I thought that Archer lost money in respect of the Albion, as he agreed to write off a £700,000 loan he made to the club when he severed the relationship.

Sort of. I think it was a case that there was a £1.4m debt owing to him, of which he agreed to waive £700,000.

 

[Mick Beard BHA]

As for Archer himself, I don't actually HATE many people in this World, I don't think they are worth it. It isn't a healthy emotion, and is a word used far too freely these days, when the World would be a better place with less of it and more love. But Archer, I do absolutely, totally and completely HATE. I always will do, he is a scum-sucking low-life piece of cock-sputum, who raped and abused our beloved football club over a period of years.

I will never forget, and I will never forgive.

Yep well said.

'Sir Albion', wind-up or no wind-up, i'm afraid you sound like a complete twat.

Some/many of us decide to retain our grudges against the scum who tried to destroy our club, and funnily enough we still manage to have lives, and happy ones at that. Ian Baird's Fist started a thread about a truly despised figure from our past, a figure who, as IBF said, continued to case a long shadow over us long after he'd left. Hopefully now with Falmer we can indeed 'move on', but many of us will never forgive or forget.

You've made a choice to 'move on' in your own way and time, and thats up to you. Just don't come onto threads like this- which many of us find to be interesting and which leads to further interesting discussion- with your dickhead comments like "oh drop it jesus" followed by a selection of smilies. Just move on and go find another topic to 'contribute' to.

 

[Smythe]

I was at the last games at the goldstone,and also i had a season ticket for 2 seasons at gillingham

That of course has nout to do with it,look if you wanna spend the rest of your years having a grudge thats your choice,i on the other hand couldn't give two shits what archer and co are upto now as its not important "FACT".

Once we move into falmer its a new era and rubbing falmer into archer and co also makes f-all diffrence because they couldn't give a shite anyway.Christ some people on here need to get a life as whats done is done and we have moved on.

Of course thats my opinion as many of you obviously have a severe grudge for life.

ficking right i got a grudge for life and so should every Albion fan for what they tried to do to OUR club
We have moved on but never forget what we went through to get here and the people that tried to ruin us.

 

[Harold]

There is no way anyone could ever look into that deal, and now it's too late.

Irrespective of the fact that the sale of the ground was so badly handled (as far as the football club is concerned - we're still 'homeless'), other debt re-structuring packages were available at the time and the sale itself wasn't necessary.

That's what makes it so suspicious.

Looking into any Albion related deal from that time is, and always has been, a nightmare. I cite Foray385 as an example of how a complex and tangled web of paper companies (re-registered using slight variations on the original names and using rotating lists of directors) were associated with BHAFC around that time. All entirely legal practice, but very confusing for anyone trying to establish a clear picture of what they had been used for and associated deals/transactions (i.e. who owned what; who got what; etc).

Such a lack of transparency was suspicious, although (I seem to remember) the DTI declined to act on overtures from the Supporters Club to investigate its findings. Maybe this was because BHAFC continued to submit visible artefacts like company accounts (although I remember those being late and bounced on a few occasions due to irregularities).

All the above dated history aside, I will say this. I was present at the High Court when the Albion had their final winding up order, and I can tell you our club was seconds from going out of business, literally seconds. Even the circumstances that saved us that day stick in my throat (the resulting penalty clause payment). I could never have envisaged that day that the Albion would survive long-term, never mind be as healthy as it is today, with foundations for a new ground emerging, and our biggest worries being proper football ones again (sort that midfield out Adams!).

All the same, personally, I will never forgive nor forget. A grudge for life, and one I am happy to bear.

 

[The Large One]

Incidentally, the company formerly known as Foray 585 still exists.

It's now called Brighton & Hove Albion Holdings Ltd, and is the parent company for the football club company and the stadium company.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Comments aren't getting through, and I was polite, too

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[Spiros]

I was at the last games at the goldstone,and also i had a season ticket for 2 seasons at gillingham

That of course has nout to do with it,look if you wanna spend the rest of your years having a grudge thats your choice,i on the other hand couldn't give two shits what archer and co are upto now as its not important "FACT".

Once we move into falmer its a new era and rubbing falmer into archer and co also makes f-all diffrence because they couldn't give a shite anyway.Christ some people on here need to get a life as whats done is done and we have moved on.

Of course thats my opinion as many of you obviously have a severe grudge for life.

I'm not sure whether I'll hold a grudge for life, but every time I sit in the wet South Stand at Withdean I remember why I'm there and not in a shiny new stadium or at least a patched-up Goldstone and it's directly due to that pair. Next time you want to moan about the ticket prices or lack of a roof remember that you have Archer and Stanley to 'thank' for that as they put as on the road to where we are.

And the next time you want to moan about Dick Knight's latest manager choice or delays in building Falmer remember that Dick is still only starting to repair the massive damage done by those two to our club.

 

[Harold]

Incidentally, the company formerly known as Foray 585 still exists.

It's now called Brighton & Hove Albion Holdings Ltd, and is the parent company for the football club company and the stadium company.

Thanks for correcting my reference to Foray585. I quickly typed that post off the top of my head from faded recollection.

I don't claim to be an expert in such things but it's possible they re-used the company registration (probably saved some cost somewhere). Possibly because one person involved back then is still involved today.