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[Football] Everton Points Deduction.







Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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What has stood in Everton's favour is that they have been quite open with the PL during their failed attempts to remain within FFP. 10 points will be a largely meaningless deduction, its not going to cost them their place in the PL this season. They would be wise to just suck it up, as any appeal or failed challenge to it could potentially incur a further sanction that WOULD prove damaging to them. Just suck on it and move on, scouse.

Man City and Chelsea though...the former has refused to cooperate over the 115 charges, and has denied, ubfuscated, obstructed and swerved at every single turn to tie this up in knots and drag this out for years. The latter has been caught bang to rights by the (then) owner using his proxy businesses to pay millions and millions to 3rd parties "off the books" at Chelsea in order to circumnavigate FFP.

If those charges are brought to bear, then relegation (possibly a "Rangers" as someone mentioned) should certainly be the outcome. Evertons offence is utterly small-fry by comparison, but -10 has set down a serious marker. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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What has stood in Everton's favour is that they have been quite open with the PL during their failed attempts to remain within FFP. 10 points will be a largely meaningless deduction, its not going to cost them their place in the PL this season. They would be wise to just suck it up, as any appeal or failed challenge to it could potentially incur a further sanction that WOULD prove damaging to them. Just suck on it and move on, scouse.

Man City and Chelsea though...the former has refused to cooperate over the 115 charges, and has denied, ubfuscated, obstructed and swerved at every single turn to tie this up in knots and drag this out for years. The latter has been caught bang to rights by the (then) owner using his proxy businesses to pay millions and millions to 3rd parties "off the books" at Chelsea in order to circumnavigate FFP.

If those charges are brought to bear, then relegation (possibly a "Rangers" as someone mentioned) should certainly be the outcome. Evertons offence is utterly small-fry by comparison, but -10 has set down a serious marker. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
Absolutely this. 0 pts for a deliberate and confessed breach of FFP by £19m - sets a meaningful marker.

Everton fans claiming that a 10 pt deduction is harsh are absolutely missing the point.
10 pts in either of the past 2 seasons would have seen them comfortably relegated.
This season, they have a high likelihood of staying up regardless . That is as good as this season is likely to get for them anyway.
 


Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Absolutely this. 0 pts for a deliberate and confessed breach of FFP by £19m - sets a meaningful marker.

Everton fans claiming that a 10 pt deduction is harsh are absolutely missing the point.
10 pts in either of the past 2 seasons would have seen them comfortably relegated.
This season, they have a high likelihood of staying up regardless . That is as good as this season is likely to get for them anyway.
Agreed. And yet they seem utterly determined to tie themselves up in knots over whatabouteries. I wouldn't say a ten point deduction is getting off lightly, but they really should be looking at the bigger picture right now. They've got over two-thirds of the season left to finish above 3 of the most FEEBLE clubs ever to stink out the PL, and are only 2 points away from safety now. They're going to absolutely piss it.

If they carry on with their scouse whining and crying all the way back to the doors of the PL though, then I'd be of a mind to say "Look - you're guilty. So Lets make it 15 points then eh ? No ? Well f*ck off then, and stop wasting even more of our time, you bunch of CHISLERS".

Or words to that effect.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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Agreed. And yet they seem utterly determined to tie themselves up in knots over whatabouteries. I wouldn't say a ten point deduction is getting off lightly, but they really should be looking at the bigger picture right now. They've got over two-thirds of the season left to finish above 3 of the most FEEBLE clubs ever to stink out the PL, and are only 2 points away from safety now. They're going to absolutely piss it.

If they carry on with their scouse whining and crying all the way back to the doors of the PL though, then I'd be of a mind to say "Look - you're guilty. So Lets make it 15 points then eh ? No ? Well f*ck off then, and stop wasting even more of our time, you bunch of CHISLERS".

Or words to that effect.
I'd like to see what the appeal is considering they admitted it?
 












Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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Yeh, the popcorn gif things you see are horrifically over used.

But in this situation, completely appropriate.

I think both clubs will have the book thrown at them. Especially City. It will take time. But I think deep down, fans of those clubs are slowly awaking from the denial they've been operating in. Mostly they are now going through the aggression stage.

What is worse, is that the relegations they will suffer, will mean they have no choice but to sell all of their stars, for a fraction of their worth because they have to now be FFP compliant and their income will have dropped by 99+%. They will also be facing colossal law suits from rival clubs.

And where will these stars go to? Liverpool. Man Utd. Arsenal. Newcastle

This reality is slowly dawning on their fans.

Oh it's going to be fun to watch
 


Bodian

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May 3, 2012
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Yeh, the popcorn gif things you see are horrifically over used.

But in this situation, completely appropriate.

I think both clubs will have the book thrown at them. Especially City. It will take time. But I think deep down, fans of those clubs are slowly awaking from the denial they've been operating in. Mostly they are now going through the aggression stage.

What is worse, is that the relegations they will suffer, will mean they have no choice but to sell all of their stars, for a fraction of their worth because they have to now be FFP compliant and their income will have dropped by 99+%. They will also be facing colossal law suits from rival clubs.

And where will these stars go to? Liverpool. Man Utd. Arsenal. Newcastle
...Brighton!
 


Garry Nelson's Left Foot

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Jul 7, 2003
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tokyo
I'm very much in the Everton should shut up and suck it up camp.

They broke the rules, they've been punished.

The punishment will have very little effect on their season. Without it they would probably have finished somewhere around 12th-14th. With it they'll finish 15th-17th. They weren't qualifying for Europe without it and they won't go down with it.

To reiterate: Stop whining Everton. You broke the rules, you're being punished for it, deal with it.
 




Milano

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Aug 15, 2012
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Sussex but not by the sea
I'm very much in the Everton should shut up and suck it up camp.

They broke the rules, they've been punished.

The punishment will have very little effect on their season. Without it they would probably have finished somewhere around 12th-14th. With it they'll finish 15th-17th. They weren't qualifying for Europe without it and they won't go down with it.

To reiterate: Stop whining Everton. You broke the rules, you're being punished for it, deal with it.
I think it’s the ~£300m lawsuits that could be bought against them which is making them appeal. That’s administration plus can you really see a new investor like 777 going into that deal knowing that is on the horizon? No me neither.
They’re in serious bother, and it’s their fault, and it’s f’ing brilliant.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,319
Surrey
Whilst Everton broke the rules and deserve the punishment (along with City and Chelsea probably), I wonder if these rules need revisiting? I mean surely they just discourage investment and that can't be right.

I'd rather the FA invested their time in implementing a fit and proper ownership rule that was fit for purpose. This country doesn't need the money of bone saw tossers or greedy Americans who saddle our clubs with debt they didn't have, purely to milk it as a cash cow.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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I think it’s the ~£300m lawsuits that could be bought against them which is making them appeal. That’s administration plus can you really see a new investor like 777 going into that deal knowing that is on the horizon? No me neither.
They’re in serious bother, and it’s their fault, and it’s f’ing brilliant.
I don't really see where the grounds for the lawsuits are.

The issue is that Everton spunked a load of money on players that managed to get them 39 and 36 pts in a season.
It's hardly if the extra spend got them an unfair advantage is it?

Surely the complaint the relegated teams have is with teh Premier League, who have chosen to impose a penalty after the event.
I don't see how Everton can be accountable for that.
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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I don't really see where the grounds for the lawsuits are.

The issue is that Everton spunked a load of money on players that managed to get them 39 and 36 pts in a season.
It's hardly if the extra spend got them an unfair advantage is it?

Surely the complaint the relegated teams have is with teh Premier League, who have chosen to impose a penalty after the event.
I don't see how Everton can be accountable for that.
Firstly, its not the PL who imposed the sanction on Everton, so nobody can sue them.

And the trouble is, the breaches do not become apparent until after the clubs annual accounts have been submitted. And you need 3 years worth of those before you know whether or not they've fallen foul and exceeded the net £105m overspend which is permitted over 3 years.

So yeah, Everton ARE the ones liable. They signed up to the rules along with everyone else, flouted them, and then benefited by narrowly retaining their place at the top table at the expense of others who (presumably) stayed within the rules.

If BHA had been relegated during this period when Everton benefited from their overspending, then I'd be fully supportive of TB suing the bollocks off them.
 
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Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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I don't really see where the grounds for the lawsuits are.

The issue is that Everton spunked a load of money on players that managed to get them 39 and 36 pts in a season.
It's hardly if the extra spend got them an unfair advantage is it?

Surely the complaint the relegated teams have is with teh Premier League, who have chosen to impose a penalty after the event.
I don't see how Everton can be accountable for that.

The three teams that finished 18th in the past 3 years should be suing them for lost TV funds, plus anyone that finished below them that didn't go down for loss of prize money.

I don't think it's fair they then get a points deduction for having to pay out.
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Basically, Everton f*cked themselves when they went disco-mental on signings after Fat Frank arrived. Nathan Patterson + Mykolenko for a combined £30m, Onana for £34m, McNeil for £20m, Maupay for £15m (chuckle), Garner for £9m and Gueye for £8m. PLUS whatever they paid for Deli Ali who signed on a 2 year deal that was supposed to rise to £40m. PLUS whatever they were paying towards about 15 sacked managers. PLUS the £100k+ a week they were still paying to Cenk Tosun (£27m).

All this was while they were already knowingly walking an FFP tightrope.

Fuckem. I hope they do go down, and I hope they get sued.
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Wiltshire
For 115 charges? That’s an awful lot of serious undoing. I’m intrigued as to how this is going to pan out and when. I also wonder whether both Man City and Chelsea are going through a squeaky bum time knowing their time in the dock is approaching. Crikey, this is almost as good as the Wagatha case.
OK then...12 points for City 😏
 


schmunk

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Jan 19, 2018
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Mid mid mid Sussex
All this was while they were already knowingly walking an FFP tightrope.

This is the key - there are regular P&S checkups each season, so Everton knew they were close to breaking the rules, and even disclosed it to the PL along with a promise to ensure they didn't, but then carried on anyway...

It was a knowing breach of the rules, so a harsh punishment is justified.
 


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