[Politics] Do we need a General Strike?

[St Leonards Seagull]

THat's the spirit. We should be grateful they let us even talk about these things. I mean, if you get ill, google will fix it.

Good old Dr Google

 

[The Clamp]

There is one reason the Tory's are refusing to give NHS workers a decent pay rise; to make sure the NHS is understaffed and broken. Then the Tory's present their solution.

A year of free medical insurance for anyone who can tell me what that solution will be?

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

There is one reason the Tory's are refusing to give NHS workers a decent pay rise; to make sure the NHS is understaffed and broken. Then the Tory's present their solution.

A year of free medical insurance for anyone who can tell me what that solution will be?

The solution will involve Tory donors and friends/acquaintances of MPs making a lot of money.
It’s been an obvious tactic, neglected over the last 10 years.
Look how terrible it’s become, look at the bureaucracy, don’t worry we have a plan.
Present the plan of how it can be all unicorns and rainbows, get their noses in the trough and they’ll be well out of government and quids in, by the time the public have realised.
Note I’m 100% not saying there’s not issues within the NHS, I just don’t trust the people who state they are trying to fix it.

 

[The Clamp]

The solution will involve Tory donors and friends/acquaintances of MPs making a lot of money.
It’s been an obvious tactic, neglected over the last 10 years.
Look how terrible it’s become, look at the bureaucracy, don’t worry we have a plan.
Present the plan of how it can be all unicorns and rainbows, get their noses in the trough and they’ll be well out of government and quids in, by the time the public have realised.
Note I’m 100% not saying there’s not issues within the NHS, I just don’t trust the people who state they are trying to fix it.

100% agree

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

There is one reason the Tory's are refusing to give NHS workers a decent pay rise; to make sure the NHS is understaffed and broken. Then the Tory's present their solution.

A year of free medical insurance for anyone who can tell me what that solution will be?

Rubbish.

Sorry, I agree with a lot that you say, but if they wanted to sell it off etc they would have already.

Also if that’s the case, as mentioned earlier are Labour / SNP in on this plan.

This is why there will never be a grown up conversation about the NHS and what needs to happen

 

[The Clamp]

Rubbish.

Sorry, I agree with a lot that you say, but if they wanted to sell it off etc they would have already.

Also if that’s the case, as mentioned earlier are Labour / SNP in on this plan.

This is why there will never be a grown up conversation about the NHS and what needs to happen

They already are selling it off.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

They already are selling it off.

Started under Labour.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

They already are selling it off.

Technicalities, tendering out services to private companies. Plenty of money to be made that way, without having to actually look like you’re having to sell anything off.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

Started under Labour.

And? That was 12 years ago, surely that’s no reason to continue or to justify.

 

[The Clamp]

Started under Labour.

And? I’m not okay with any party selling off our NHS.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Started under Labour.

It started the day it was created.

I assume you're a referencing PFI which commenced under Major .... So you are wrong.

Blair did accelerate it massively.

Which was also wrong.

BUT.

You were wrong if you were on about PFI being a Labour thing. It wasn't.

Which is the sort of critical knowledge that makes me question the validity of your contribution to the subject.

That said, I think I met you a few times and you seemed to be a perfectly decent person and wish you a very Merry Christmas. X

 

[dazzer6666]

Airports running ‘better than usual’ in ‘embarrassing’ blow to Border Force strikes

Government had been braced for disruption as a week-long strike by 1,000 passport staff at six airports began

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[CHAPPERS]

Airports running ‘better than usual’ in ‘embarrassing’ blow to Border Force strikes

Government had been braced for disruption as a week-long strike by 1,000 passport staff at six airports began

www.telegraph.co.uk

Home Office denies passengers 'waved through' airports without full checks after claims by striking border staff

Members of the armed forces are filling in for striking Border Force staff at airports, but do not have the power to stop or detain suspicious passengers who might otherwise be stopped at passport control.

news.sky.com

UK Border Force strike: armed forces cannot detain people, emails reveal

Exclusive: those covering for staff have no power to stop suspected criminals if they have valid travel documents

www.theguardian.com

 

[Swansman]

Home Office denies passengers 'waved through' airports without full checks after claims by striking border staff

Members of the armed forces are filling in for striking Border Force staff at airports, but do not have the power to stop or detain suspicious passengers who might otherwise be stopped at passport control.

news.sky.com

UK Border Force strike: armed forces cannot detain people, emails reveal

Exclusive: those covering for staff have no power to stop suspected criminals if they have valid travel documents

www.theguardian.com

Yeah this is the thing really...

If you simplify and decrease border controls - no shit it will go faster if they only do "key priorities" like mentioned in the latter article.

Access to football games would also be smoother than usual if no one checked the tickets. And you'd get faster treatment at the hospital if they just slice you up and remove some shit without checking whats wrong with you. That doesn't mean it is better or doesn't come with its own share of problems.

 

[GOM]

then, we'll just have to muddle thru without nurses, i spose

the tories are quickly blackmailing the country bankrupt?

what do you propose we do about it?

have you worked out how to retain frontline nhs staff yet?

that's a tad naiive, there's always money, maybe ask baroness mone?

where did they put all the austerity scalpings?

So many questions and not a hint of a solution. It looks like you are just another that wants to be part of the problem and not the solution.

 

[dazzer6666]

Home Office denies passengers 'waved through' airports without full checks after claims by striking border staff

Members of the armed forces are filling in for striking Border Force staff at airports, but do not have the power to stop or detain suspicious passengers who might otherwise be stopped at passport control.

news.sky.com

UK Border Force strike: armed forces cannot detain people, emails reveal

Exclusive: those covering for staff have no power to stop suspected criminals if they have valid travel documents

www.theguardian.com

Entirely predictable from both sides….

 

[Springal]

Maybe we just need to increase recruitment in the army then we have a lot of cheap labour on £16k-£28k a year to do everything

 

[Zeberdi]

I doubt much was compromised in the way of homeland security tbh …
The Immigration Police, Counter-terroism Units and very highly trained airport police weren’t on strike

Project Servator| London City Airport

Project Servator: at London City Airport, your safety and security are our number one priority. You have a key role to play in reporting anything unusual

www.londoncityairport.com

UK policing and border control infiltrated by war mentality, says report

Campaign groups say hyper-militarisation of British policing agencies is ‘deeply troubling’

www.theguardian.com

and what happens when passports are scanned? Interpol weren’t striking either …

I-Checkit

An innovative border management capability

www.interpol.int

Although the military in the UK traditionally have no power over UK citizens, there is certainly a precedent for them being actively involved in counter-terrorist activities in civvy street and there are signs that the lines between ‘military’ and ‘policing’ are becoming increasingly blurred when it comes to homeland security matters

British Troops on British Streets: Defence’s Counter-Terrorism Journey from 9/11 to Operation Temperer

In May 2017, Operation Temperer – the deployment of British military personnel in support of the police following a terrorist attack or the threat of such an attack – was activated for the first ti...

www.tandfonline.com

However, while the border may have become slightly more porous at the passport control office during the strikes, this point of ingress is cog in a vast wheel of counter-terroism surveillance, policing and immigration control - if an ‘obvious risk’ individual (whatever that is) got through passport without being detained, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have got out of the airport.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Yeah, dunno on numbers of travellers yet - some people may not have travelled

But early reports suggest the time at passport control was up to four times quicker with the army in place

Now that means they are not doing it properly, or in fact boarder patrol are slow and are over paid

Just nine passengers detained at Heathrow during Border Force strike

Figure compares with 189 during same three days of 2021, but detentions at Manchester airport rose slightly

www.theguardian.com

Well.

 

[Swansman]

Maybe we just need to increase recruitment in the army then we have a lot of cheap labour on £16k-£28k a year to do everything

I imagine it would be difficult to recruit people to the army if they knew it meant some mundane work on some airport.

Surely every kid that grows up with the dream of being a soldier imagines himself emptying his M16 rifle on some stone-throwing arab... checking passports is pretty far from that.