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Why does Dawkins feel the need to challenge religion so much? For a lot of people it is a hope that they might get to see lost loved ones again one day or just a guide on how to live a decent life and be a 'good' person. Why does he feel the need to try to shatter peoples hopes that there is something else after death?


You could argue the same about Father Christmas. We tell our kids he is real so they believe in him 100%. They talk about him, write to him, have faith in him and probably pray to him at night. Belief in him gives them hope, pleasure and excitment. Yet as an adult you know that he doesn't exist, would you also argue that children should grow up believing in Father Christmas even though he is a work of fiction? Would their lives really be better?
Dawkins simply puts forward a logical view based on observation and evidence that requires no blind belief. I for one get much more satisfaction from this than I ever did from my narrow minded and inplausible Catholic upbringing.
 




Curious Orange

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Jul 5, 2003
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You could argue the same about Father Christmas. We tell our kids he is real so they believe in him 100%. They talk about him, write to him, have faith in him and probably pray to him at night. Belief in him gives them hope, pleasure and excitment. Yet as an adult you know that he doesn't exist, would you also argue that children should grow up believing in Father Christmas even though he is a work of fiction? Would their lives really be better?
Dawkins simply puts forward a logical view based on observation and evidence that requires no blind belief. I for one get much more satisfaction from this than I ever did from my narrow minded and inplausible Catholic upbringing.

I agree with that. As someone brought up C of E, Sunday School, Altar Boy, and all that stuff, I worked it out for myself that there probably weren't any Gods (glad I paid attention in science classes), and now I wake up most days and look out of the window and think how marvellous that everything is.
 


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You could argue the same about Father Christmas. We tell our kids he is real so they believe in him 100%. They talk about him, write to him, have faith in him and probably pray to him at night. Belief in him gives them hope, pleasure and excitment. Yet as an adult you know that he doesn't exist, would you also argue that children should grow up believing in Father Christmas even though he is a work of fiction? Would their lives really be better?
Dawkins simply puts forward a logical view based on observation and evidence that requires no blind belief. I for one get much more satisfaction from this than I ever did from my narrow minded and inplausible Catholic upbringing.

I still believe in the Boogeyman though.

and am still a big fan of flagellation which we were big on at our catholic school.
 


Was not Was

Loitering with intent
Jul 31, 2003
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I wake up most days and look out of the window and think how marvellous that everything is.

Out of context, this might sound like a quote from Barney the Dinasaur - but I agree.

Once you realise there's no God and no big plan, it simply feels amazing that nature and evolution have led us to this point and that I'm alive and aware of it, out of all the billions and billions of possible things and people that could have existed. Brilliant! And much more exciting than putting it all down to a deity who can't even be bothered to prove s/he exists ...
 






Rusthall Seagull

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Jul 16, 2003
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Out of context, this might sound like a quote from Barney the Dinasaur - but I agree.

Once you realise there's no God and no big plan, it simply feels amazing that nature and evolution have led us to this point and that I'm alive and aware of it, out of all the billions and billions of possible things and people that could have existed. Brilliant! And much more exciting than putting it all down to a deity who can't even be bothered to prove s/he exists ...

to be fair, many people wake up 'having foung God' and feel very good about the world.
 


Man of Harveys

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Jul 9, 2003
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Brighton, UK
to be fair, many people wake up 'having foung God' and feel very good about the world.

But they feel better simply because they're kidding themselves, mainly because of the idea that, if things are bad now, they'll be better once they die, something of which there's no evidence whatsoever.
 






lyndon

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Nov 12, 2006
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Personally I think this campaign is as stupid as eating your own poo for dinner. A waste of money and utter nonsense and might even work against them, wonderful stuff :)
 


Soon its November the 5th, Can we not rekindle an old tradition and start burning some annoying christians at the stake!
 






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Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
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Personally I think this campaign is as stupid as eating your own poo for dinner. A waste of money and utter nonsense and might even work against them, wonderful stuff :)


I dont want to be pedantic here lyndon but are you suggesting that you are paying for poo.

because if you are.........
 




MattBackHome

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Jul 7, 2003
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To quote Dawkins, the 'thicko':

The feeling of awed wonder that science can give us is one of the highest experiences of which the human psyche is capable. It is a deep aesthetic passion to rank with the finest that music and poetry can deliver. It is truly one of the things that make life worth living and it does so, if anything, more effectively if it convinces us that the time we have for living is quite finite.
 




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Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,904
Worthing
To quote Dawkins, the 'thicko':

The feeling of awed wonder that science can give us is one of the highest experiences of which the human psyche is capable. It is a deep aesthetic passion to rank with the finest that music and poetry can deliver. It is truly one of the things that make life worth living and it does so, if anything, more effectively if it convinces us that the time we have for living is quite finite.


Clever man. Where would he play virgo ?
 




The Spanish

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I would love him to go round handing out his books in Riyadh town centre. Its about time atheism had its own martyrs if it's to compete seriously with religion.
 


Rusthall Seagull

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Jul 16, 2003
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Tunbridge wells
But they feel better simply because they're kidding themselves, mainly because of the idea that, if things are bad now, they'll be better once they die, something of which there's no evidence whatsoever.

not really, my Dad is a christian (apprarently, he is also a ****) - he is not unhappy in the slightest. In actual fact, if you met him, I expect you would think 'what a nice man'. He doesn't think things are bad now, he doesn't crave to die for things to be better either.
 




not really, my Dad is a christian (apprarently, he is also a ****) - he is not unhappy in the slightest. In actual fact, if you met him, I expect you would think 'what a nice man'. He doesn't think things are bad now, he doesn't crave to die for things to be better either.

But is that all just due to the steady stream of choir boys?
 




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