"Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large"

[Benny Seagull]

There's no evidence that there ISN'T one. Your logic is just as flawed as a believer's.

i haven't seen god in all my 23 years and i'm pretty sure noone else has seen it either. ever. so i think that's more than enough evidence.

 

[Mellotron]

i haven't seen god in all my 23 years and i'm pretty sure noone else has seen it either. ever. so i think that's more than enough evidence.

I've never seen the wind, but I'm certain that exists.

You could say you've seen the EFFECTS of wind, but I could say I believe I've seen the effects of God. Even in the smallest things.

 

[Lokki 7]

It is. But by a small and annoyingly vocal minority.

Although I have to agree that some American Christians have very disturbing views that I could never agree with, regarding homosexuals etc.

Jesus never ever ever ever touched on the subjects of homosexuals or abortion, even though they were clearly subjects of debate at the time. If they aren't important to him, they're not important to me.

Firstly, the "annoying" christians that you could "never agree with" get their views directly from the bible. So you are saying that the bible has plenty of horseshit in it yes?
Secondly, how the feck do you know what Jesus did or didn't say? From the bible? The earliest parts of the New Testament were written 80 odd years after his death and have been heavily edited so cannot be considered an accurate primary source.

 

[Mellotron]

You are surely not saying that it's ok, because God only SUGGESTS that homosexuals are put to death? That truly is a weak argument my friend. This is meant to be the guide to human existance remember.

I'm not suggesting it's ok for a second, of course it isn't. It's just being mentioned that that IS what happened in those days. Remember Christians were NOT in power.

 

[Silent Bob]

Oh come on, Dawkins has said that tonnes of times. They've only had to include the qualifier "probably" as they're worried about causing offence.

When has Dawkins ever worried about causing offence??

To say there is no proof that god doesn't exist is a fallacy. You cannot conclusively prove a negative. There are however plenty of inaccuracies in the supposed words of God, things that are proven to be wrong/false.

 

[Mellotron]

Firstly, the "annoying" christians that you could "never agree with" get their views directly from the bible. So you are saying that the bible has plenty of horseshit in it yes?
Secondly, how the feck do you know what Jesus did or didn't say? From the bible? The earliest parts of the New Testament were written 80 odd years after his death and have been heavily edited so cannot be considered an accurate primary source.

I'd say (like most people) that the Bible, along with the Koran, is MASSIVELY open to interpretation, and misinterpretation.

The people from Westboro Baptist Church take ONE verse from ONE book of the Bible and base their entire values around it.

OK well from what we know they clearly weren't BIG issues for him as they are never ever mentioned. Love, peace, humility and looking after your fellow man regardless of differences are mentioned A LOT.

 

[Mellotron]

When has Dawkins ever worried about causing offence??

To say there is no proof that god doesn't exist is a fallacy. You cannot conclusively prove a negative. There are however plenty of inaccuracies in the supposed words of God, things that are proven to be wrong/false.

I don't think he has. But this is not just him this is a large, reputable organisation.

They could possibly be charged with inciting religious hatred if they simply slapped on There is No God.

 

[London Calling]

I'm not suggesting it's ok for a second, of course it isn't. It's just being mentioned that that IS what happened in those days. Remember Christians were NOT in power.

But when Christians got into power, directly or through monarchs or republics they certainly started to persecute and murder homosexuals. In fact the law of this Country has only recently calmed down to now allow homosexuals equality.

 

[Trufflehound]

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9

you must have looked up the same website as me.....

The joys of internet research...

[pedant]
To be completely correct, the FIRST of those quotes is Leviticus 18:22
The SECOND one is Lev 20:13.

1 Corinthians 6:9 is quite unrelated...

[/pedant]

And I'm with Dawkins by the way...

 

[Lokki 7]

I'd say (like most people) that the Bible, along with the Koran, is MASSIVELY open to interpretation, and misinterpretation.

The people from Westboro Baptist Church take ONE verse from ONE book of the Bible and base their entire values around it.

You'd think the Creator of all things who cares so much about us would leave a slightly more clear cut message wouldn't you? I wonder what we can infer from that?

 

[Mellotron]

But when Christians got into power, directly or through monarchs or republics they certainly started to persecute and murder homosexuals. In fact the law of this Country has only recently calmed down to now allow homosexuals equality.

Well it's not something I would condone or accept personally. I can only speak for myself. I certainly support homosexuals having equality.

 

[Lokki 7]

I certainly support homosexuals having equality.

Splitter.

 

[London Calling]

You'd think the Creator of all things who cares so much about us would leave a slightly more clear cut message wouldn't you? I wonder what we can infer from that?

That the original bible writers made it up to suit themselves and in particular the wishes of the Roman Emperor, under whose reign the "extracts" of the bible were mysteriously found and by coincidence an number of key messages, events in the bible fitted in with high Roman life, morals and its calender.

 

[Mellotron]

You'd think the Creator of all things who cares so much about us would leave a slightly more clear cut message wouldn't you? I wonder what we can infer from that?

What about all the other issues He DIDN'T talk about? Council tax? The price of Bananas? Where should Virgo be played? There are MILLIONS of issues He didn't give a clear cut message to/

He wasn't around very long, so he talked about the important issues.

Peace. Love. Humility. Looking after the less fortunate.

I'll stick with the overriding themes that he DID give a clear cut message regarding, not the small loopholes and parts that can and have been twisted beyond recognition.

 

[Mellotron]

Splitter.

What?

 

[Man of Harveys]

It's so obvious to me that god had to be created by man solely in order to explain away stuff that couldn't be understood by people who were of course more ignorant than we are now. Where's my dead relative gone? Don't worry, they're in heaven. And they're there because they were good people. How come there are such things as plants, animals? Ah, well, god made all of them.

Well, now we know that that's not true. I don't think my dead ancestors exist anywhere, sadly, other than partly in my own genes. And plants weren't made because some entity fancied making them, they happened because of cell division. Can't remember who said it, but religion really is nothing more than a very effective advertising agency for a product that doesn't exist. IMHO.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Firstly, the "annoying" christians that you could "never agree with" get their views directly from the bible. So you are saying that the bible has plenty of horseshit in it yes?
Secondly, how the feck do you know what Jesus did or didn't say? From the bible? The earliest parts of the New Testament were written 80 odd years after his death and have been heavily edited so cannot be considered an accurate primary source.

but 'annoying' Muslims get their views directly from the Koran - that doesn't mean that all Muslims should be tarred with the same brush, does it ? ?

 

[London Calling]

What about all the other issues He DIDN'T talk about? Council tax? The price of Bananas? Where should Virgo be played? There are MILLIONS of issues He didn't give a clear cut message to/

He wasn't around very long, so he talked about the important issues.

Peace. Love. Humility. Looking after the less fortunate.

I'll stick with the overriding themes that he DID give a clear cut message regarding, not the small loopholes and parts that can and have been twisted beyond recognition.

He didn't say much, or seem to want to intervene over two world wars, other inter national disputes, mass slaughter in Cambodia, numerous african states, 200,000 missing citizens in the very Christian Chile?

 

[Man of Harveys]

He didn't say much, or seem to want to intervene over two world wars, other inter national disputes, mass slaughter in Cambodia, numerous african states, 200,000 missing citizens in the very Christian Chile?

Ah, you forget: he was obviously just TESTING PEOPLE'S FAITH. Which was nice.

 

[Lokki 7]

but 'annoying' Muslims get their views directly from the Koran - that doesn't mean that all Muslims should be tarred with the same brush, does it ? ?

They all believe in the validity of the Koran, like all Christians believe in the bible. So yes, in my view. The moderate muslims should be held accountable for the extremists to some extent.