14 year girl shot in the head for wanting to learn.

[daveinprague]

Well, horrible things do happen in lots of countries Brovian..... we dont go rushing around the world to stop them... and I cant see us doing much about whats occurring in the tribal lands of Pakistan, or Afghanistan particularly....mainly because we dont have the manpower, the money, or the inclination unless it benefits us directly...what about the forgotten girl who was also shot who was with her?...my point is, its horrible, we we wont do feck all about it, and outraged NSC people wont change it either.

 

[Lush]

Forgive me, but when you see women deprived of an education, forbidden basic freedoms (like what they wear and where they go) and exploited as slaves and baby makers, couldn't you argue that the solution isn't to invade the country, but to educate men?

 

[Nibble]

Forgive me, but when you see women deprived of an education, forbidden basic freedoms (like what they wear and where they go) and exploited as slaves and baby makers, couldn't you argue that the solution isn't to invade the country, but to educate men?

Unfortunately many Muslim women also agree with these restrictions. Not just a man thing on this one.

 

[Lush]

Unfortunately many Muslim women also agree with these restrictions. Not just a man thing on this one.

If Muslim women agreed with it, then restrictions wouldn't be needed, surely?

 

[Nibble]

If Muslim women agreed with it, then restrictions wouldn't be needed, surely?

Well it's religion so those restrictions will exist wether men or women agree with it or not. Unfortunately as with most extreme interpretations of any religion many of the oopressed are willing participants suffering for the greater good. There are many women fundamentalists in the muslim religion.

 

[BigGully]

Unfortunately many Muslim women also agree with these restrictions. Not just a man thing on this one.

Not sure about that, bit like saying women/girls accepting sexism including abuse in the 70's, it was there and some were resigned to it but thats not agreeing to it.

 

[Nibble]

Not sure about that, bit like saying women/girls accepting sexism including abuse in the 70's, it was there and some were resigned to it but thats not agreeing to it.

No offence but wether you are not sure about it or not does not change that it is a fact. There are many Muslim women that agree with their place in theri religion, just as there are many Christian fundamentalist women who agree that God's way is that men are dominant and women are there to provide children and raise a family or in extreme cases have sex with leaders etc. Are you saying there are no female muslim fundamentalists?

 

[daveinprague]

'C'mon get stuck into the Taliban just as you would with the USA or UK, we require consistency from you.'

..i abhor the taliban, but im not living in Afganistan or Pákistán, i reserve the right to condemn my governments actions against other countries, especially when its ať the behest of a third nation like the USA

 

[The Large One]

Kind of ironic considering Pakistan was one of the first countries in the world to have had a woman Prime Minister.

 

[Lush]

Not sure about that, bit like saying women/girls accepting sexism including abuse in the 70's, it was there and some were resigned to it but thats not agreeing to it.

Or that a few women provocatively posing and bouncing their tits in front of a male-dominated football crowd means that all women think it's a good way to behave #Chyrstals

 

[Nibble]

Yellow Peril. Red Scare....

 

[BigGully]

No offence but wether you are not sure about it or not does not change that it is a fact. There are many Muslim women that agree with their place in theri religion, just as there are many Christian fundamentalist women who agree that God's way is that men are dominant and women are there to provide children and raise a family or in extreme cases have sex with leaders etc. Are you saying there are no female muslim fundamentalists?

No I am not, as I am not ignoring the fact that many women accepted sexism and it's associated sinister side, it shouldnt then follow that this should be seen as qualification of those actions.

 

[Nibble]

Not sure about that, bit like saying women/girls accepting sexism including abuse in the 70's, it was there and some were resigned to it but thats not agreeing to it.

No, completely different I'm afraid. One of the scariest things on earth is a person fully agreeing with and accepting their own oppression. It does happen. In all religions.

 

[Nibble]

No I am not, as I am not ignoring the fact that many women accepted sexism and it's associated sinister side, it shouldnt then follow that this should be seen as qualification of those actions.

It is two completely different things. As I have said, someone reluctantly accepting sexism is poles apart from a fundamentalist being fully complicit and agreeing with what their religion dictates. I can't debate with you if you are going to deny many religious fundamentalist females are in complete agreement with the way they are treated.

 

[BigGully]

No, completely different I'm afraid. One of the scariest things on earth is a person fully agreeing with and accepting their own oppression. It doeshappen. In all religions.

Sorry, do not get your point on this post.

 

[BigGully]

It is two completely different things. As I have said, someone reluctantly accepting sexism is poles apart from a fundamentalist being fully complicit and agreeing with what their religion dictates. I can't debate with you if you are going to deny many religious fundamentalist females are in complete agreement with the way they are treated.

Many females are in full agreement with lots of unsavoury things, whats your point.

 

[Nibble]

Sorry, do not get your point on this post.

Huh. Right. Yes women in the 70's mostly reluctantly accepted their lot in life, as you say. Some female Muslims reluctantly accept their lot that their religion dictates. Many fundamentalist female muslims agree with their religious doctrine and feel honoured to live that way or die for that way of life. Two very different arguments.

 

[Nibble]

Many females are in full agreement with lots of unsavoury things, whats your point.

Blimey. I'm saying (for the 6th time) there are female fundamentalist Muslims that are in agreement with the way their religion and the males in their religion dictate the way they are treated. Fundamentalists. I cannot say it any other way or make it any simpler for you!

 

[BigGully]

Huh. Right. Yes women in the 70's mostly reluctantly accepted their lot in life, as you say. Some female Muslims reluctantly accept their lot that their religion dictates. Many fundamentalist female muslims agree with their religious doctrine and feel honoured to live that way or die for that way of life. Two very different arguments.

Nibble what all this 'huh' stuff.

Look its agreed that some women agree with their religion doctrine, we know that, but it doesnt follow that this should be respected in any way.

Abuse is still abuse whether it is religion or Jim'll Fix It.

 

[BigGully]

Blimey. I'm saying (for the 6th time) there are female fundamentalist Muslims that are in agreement with the way their religion and the males in their religion dictate the way they are treated. Fundamentalists. I cannot say it any other way or make it any simpler for you!

Why do you bang on about fundamentalists, we all know there are fundamentalists, what do you want me to say to you ?