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  1. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    Has Hamas lost communications in the basement also?
  2. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

  3. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I was suggesting that it is an extreme viewpoint to say that Israel should do whatever is necessary to destroy Hamas irrespective of the number of civilians that may be killed in the process, for example carpet bombing residential areas because Hamas has personnel and equipment there.
  4. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    cont. Some would argue that Israel should not enter Gaza at all, some would argue they should only enter to release the hostages, some would argue that they are justified in entering to destroy Hsmas but only with minimal civilian casualties, snd some may agree with Finkelstein's view.
  5. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    But it does. Finkelstein is arguing that Israel must be allowed to follow through on its plan to attack and destroy Hamas in Gaza regardless of the collateral damage to Palestinian civilians. He says that peace and security is not possible until Hamas is eradicated. That extreme viewpoint is...
  6. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    Yes, I've seen that. This view, obviously, became less popular after 1988 when Hamas became a fully-fledged military/terrorist organisation (subsequently supported and controlled by Iran) but came back into vogue from 2014 under Netanyahu's leadership. Some similarity with the US funding Bin...
  7. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    Thanks. I ca Thanks, i can access that. A couple of interesting extracts for context:- Gaza, which was occupied by Israel as a result of June 1967 Arab-Israeli war, patronised Mujama al-Islamiya which was formed by a Palestinian cleric Sheikh Ahmed Yasin and viewed it as a harmless organisation...
  8. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    Unfortunately, this one is behind a paywall.
  9. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I was able to access it and I'm not a subscriber.
  10. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I, for one, found this article newsworthy. Whilst it doesn't say that Israel was involved in founding Hamas (as has been claimed on here), it does explain that Netanyahu has been tacitly enabling its support and existence in order to destabilise the Palestinian Authority and try to ensure no...
  11. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I am replying to posters replying to me. Sorry if its irrelevant
  12. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    No, that's not what I do. What I have done on 3 or 4 occasions is make a post and then within 30 seconds or so I edit it and add more content. On a couple if occasions someone has started to respond to my post before I have edited it. I have not gone back and added more content AFTER seeing a...
  13. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    My post finished with "There were demonstrators openly supporting Hamas and waving Hamas flags, thereby advocating the elimination of Israel." My post did not say that the demos were organised by Hamas.
  14. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I have no information that they did. What I have seen of Hamas funding is that they are mainly funded, supported and armed by Iran.
  15. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    Is your post addressed to me? If so, I agree absolutely that Hamas didn't organise the demos but there were Hamas supporters there and the Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. I didn't misrepresent the demos. I said there were Hamas supporters there.
  16. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    The Charter was written in 1988, not 1998
  17. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I haven't seen any "blame v blame bollocks". I've seen total agreement that what is happening is wrong and bad and discussion about why it is happening, including discussion about the long-term objectives of Hamas and the Israeli State.
  18. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    I agree with you with the proviso that Hamas has written into its charter the destruction of Israel but I'm not aware of the Israeli government stating that their objective is a one state solution across the whole of Palestine, albeit there are likely people within the Israeli authorities that...
  19. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    So you accept that the Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel and a single Islamic state in the land of Palestine, yes? Edit: please note that I added more content to my previous post while you were replying. I agree that there are elements in Israel that want an enlarged Israeli...
  20. Seagull58

    [News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

    What is the land of Palestine? You are trying not to see it but it is there. They want all the land of Palestine to be an Islamic Calliphate. This is not a secret. It is openly stated by Hamas. In its 1988 charter, Hamas said it sought to destroy the state of Israel and create an Islamic society...
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