[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Guinness Boy]

Indeed it does make you wonder, it makes you wonder when we became a nation of "I'm all right Jack's", when we became a nation of self interest, a nation that pledges millions to good causes abroad, yet won't pay a fee extra quid in tax to help the disadvantaged at home. When we became a nation moaning about all the foreigners coming into the country, but are then quite happy to employ those same foreigners on minimum wage (or less), on zero hours contracts.

It makes me wonder when we became a nation of selfish people who have shafted the young, our future, all in the name of greed!

Indeed it does make you wonder!

And that was partly my point. So, to answer the question posed by Harry Wilson’s Tackle last night, we get the government we deserve. Labour may think they are for the many but the many aren’t for Labour. A wee bit of compromise on both sides could have locked out the Tories for a generation.


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[Happy Exile]

If they do, the effect in 5 - 10 years toward financial ruin and subsequent hardships will be for them to suffer

Is there any credible evidence at all things would be worse for them than now? Or worse for them than if we end up with Johnson's Brexit? A lot of complaints about Corbyn's economics don't seem to address the fact no-one else has a credible alternative either, they are all abysmal, he's just an easy target to focus on because he's not charismatic. I can't stand him by the way, but if something isn’t working then changing it is often preferable.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Another dip into politics for me.

I think we need to get the Brexit withdrawl deal done. The trade deals will have to follow, but we have to respect the referendum. Democracy has to be respected.
Once done, if the will of the people is to re-enter EU, then we hold another one, and abide by that one. If people are scared of leaving the EU will result in poorer environmental standards, workers rights etc, well then we vote out the party in charge, and elect one that has better environmental / employment standards than Europe.

If people believe immigration is a problem, then lets bring it back under UK control. Lets increase it if necessary, but let it be under our control. I do feel it unfair that anyone from Europe can come here, when those in other parts of the world are restricted. We have a current reliance on European labour for harvesting etc. So under our our control, we can welcome them in.

The point for me is sovereignty. I have voted all three main parties in my lifetime, but I hate this drift to European Integration. Once we have voted to get out of Europe, I will return to voting whomever I see have the best policies, but at least my vote will count. Never voted for Donald Tusk - not permitted, couldn't do anything about him, and havn't been able to do anything about Ursula Leyen.

The 3 years lost in British politics arguing about Brexit, has cost us big time, and we need to move on (Leave or Remain). We need to be discussing NHS, education, defence - but we have spent all this time just discussing fecking Brexit.

The cost to democracy, by saying leavers didn't know what they were voting for is insulting - fairly simple to me - Leave or remain? Can't be going down the neverendum route. Best of 3? Do one, implement, and then if you want to change, we go again, and once again we should respect the result.

My humble opinion anyway. Will be watching tomorrow night with interest.

And if Johnson wins a majority because you have been taken in by 'Get Brexit Done' message, then the next 10 years of constant negotiating of the trade deals, threats of 'no deal', extending the implementation period, trying to implement a border in the Irish Sea, renegotiating the 'divorce bill' is probably going to come as a shock. Brexit will still be top of the political agenda, it's almost as if we have seen it all before.

Maybe as much of a shock as when it turned out that 'the easiest deal in history' or 'the EU needs us more than we need them', or we would 'Put £350 a week into the NHS' all turned out to be lies.

Yet again, you've been told these are lies and are choosing to ignore them. As you rightly point out, that went so well last time

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Another dip into politics for me.

I think we need to get the Brexit withdrawl deal done. The trade deals will have to follow, but we have to respect the referendum. Democracy has to be respected.
Once done, if the will of the people is to re-enter EU, then we hold another one, and abide by that one. If people are scared of leaving the EU will result in poorer environmental standards, workers rights etc, well then we vote out the party in charge, and elect one that has better environmental / employment standards than Europe.

If people believe immigration is a problem, then lets bring it back under UK control. Lets increase it if necessary, but let it be under our control. I do feel it unfair that anyone from Europe can come here, when those in other parts of the world are restricted. We have a current reliance on European labour for harvesting etc. So under our our control, we can welcome them in.

The point for me is sovereignty. I have voted all three main parties in my lifetime, but I hate this drift to European Integration. Once we have voted to get out of Europe, I will return to voting whomever I see have the best policies, but at least my vote will count. Never voted for Donald Tusk - not permitted, couldn't do anything about him, and havn't been able to do anything about Ursula Leyen.

The 3 years lost in British politics arguing about Brexit, has cost us big time, and we need to move on (Leave or Remain). We need to be discussing NHS, education, defence - but we have spent all this time just discussing fecking Brexit.

The cost to democracy, by saying leavers didn't know what they were voting for is insulting - fairly simple to me - Leave or remain? Can't be going down the neverendum route. Best of 3? Do one, implement, and then if you want to change, we go again, and once again we should respect the result.

My humble opinion anyway. Will be watching tomorrow night with interest.

The right to respect the referendum and democracy was demolished in the High Court in February, as admitted by the government's own QC James Eadie. It would have been stopped in its tracks there and then if it had been mandatory.
As it was only an advisory vote, it couldn't be. It was corrupt so therefore any respect due has long gone.

The country has been stuck for three years, changing Prime Minister three times for a failed plan.
We need to move on.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And that was partly my point. So, to answer the question posed by Harry Wilson’s Tackle last night, we get the government we deserve. Labour may think they are for the many but the many aren’t for Labour. A wee bit of compromise on both sides could have locked out the Tories for a generation.


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I've read a lot on here about Labour getting into power with a different leadership.

Since the seismic shift in voting patterns North of the border in 2007, Labour do not stand a chance of a majority government again, barring another seismic shift back, whoever is their leader

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Liar - pray tell - give us the quote

You've conveniently missed post #6919.

 

[mikeyjh]

I've read a lot on here about Labour getting into power with a different leadership.

Since the seismic shift in voting patterns North of the border in 2007, Labour do not stand a chance of a majority government again, barring another seismic shift back, whoever is their leader

As I mentioned earlier, happens every time! People who want to be seen as caring and sharing - Well, I'd vote Labour if they had XYZ different leader, best of just ignoring them....

 

[rippleman]

Interesting ploy by the Tory dominated council in Worthing. Our polling station that used to be based in a church in the Ward has been changed. Voters now have a 30 minute walk to the polling station that has no bus stop nearby. Makes it very difficult for seniors and the less abled to get out to vote. And all the statistics show that the Tory vote holds up far better on a low turnout than the Labour vote.

A scam designed to disenfranchise voters who are unable to make the trek to the polling station.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

As I mentioned earlier, happens every time! People who want to be seen as caring and sharing - Well, I'd vote Labour if they had XYZ different leader, best of just ignoring them....

Fake news, plenty of people say they will not vote for labour under Jezza and its try.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10517153/lord-sugar-tells-labour-voters-fire-corbyn/

This guys was a labour peer

 

[beorhthelm]

I've read a lot on here about Labour getting into power with a different leadership.

Since the seismic shift in voting patterns North of the border in 2007, Labour do not stand a chance of a majority government again, barring another seismic shift back, whoever is their leader

the Scottish vote is often overlooked. Labour got wiped out in 2015, 40-50 seats they are unlikely to ever recover.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

As a point of interest, can you think of any ex- nationalised industry that is more efficient ( ie costs the taxpayer/ consumer less) and costs less to run than when under government ownership?

Yes - telecoms

 

[Weststander]

I've read a lot on here about Labour getting into power with a different leadership.

Since the seismic shift in voting patterns North of the border in 2007, Labour do not stand a chance of a majority government again, barring another seismic shift back, whoever is their leader

Very true of course.

But would a Starmer or Benn type Labour leader, with a credible manifesto, give Labour the most seats? Allowing them to form a coalition or similar government.

I believe so.

 

[nicko31]

the Scottish vote is often overlooked. Labour got wiped out in 2015, 40-50 seats they are unlikely to ever recover.

All the time Labour are tonked in Scotland they won't secure a majority in Westminster. Their vote will be down again on 2017, almost all gone to the SNP...

 

[mikeyjh]

Yes - telecoms

Strange example, the privatisation of BT is precisely the reason why we have such a shocking fibre network. Wherever you have a national infrastructure challenge, 'competition' doesn't work. Power, railways, telecoms etc.....

 

[BBassic]

You've conveniently missed post #6919.

Must admit, I was disappointed to log in and not have one of his tedious multi-quote diatribes telling me exactly how I've missed the point.

 

[beorhthelm]

Strange example, the privatisation of BT is precisely the reason why we have such a shocking fibre network. Wherever you have a national infrastructure challenge, 'competition' doesn't work. Power, railways, telecoms etc.....

except there is a very good network at the national level. its the last mile that lacks competition. even there there's improved cost for the user, comparisons to other countries overlooking how they define and deny service provision.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Interesting ploy by the Tory dominated council in Worthing. Our polling station that used to be based in a church in the Ward has been changed. Voters now have a 30 minute walk to the polling station that has no bus stop nearby. Makes it very difficult for seniors and the less abled to get out to vote. And all the statistics show that the Tory vote holds up far better on a low turnout than the Labour vote.

A scam designed to disenfranchise voters who are unable to make the trek to the polling station.

Please, drop the scam and conspiracy boxxocks, whichever party you support. I know many of the people involved in organising elections in Adur and Worthing, in fact I am married to someone who was heavily involved in the planning and execution. They all work in a completely impartial manner.

The fact the election was called at short notice, and in school term time, will have made the acquisition of suitable premises a lot harder than normal.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Strange example, the privatisation of BT is precisely the reason why we have such a shocking fibre network. Wherever you have a national infrastructure challenge, 'competition' doesn't work. Power, railways, telecoms etc.....

Actually it's allowed other players into the arena which has not only increased the fibre network but pushed down prices - for home consumers and very much for business. Now you can validly argue that it may have hindered the rollout to the harder to reach places but having worked in the industry I'm very doubtful, had BT remained nationalised, we would be in any better a situation. Thanks to BT's competitors the national business fibre network is light years ahead of where it was even 5 years ago.

 

[Lever]

I have every confidence that Corbyn's modest home will be filled with those less fortunate over the festive period and beyond.

I hope you will soon recognise that crass, shallow comment has no place here.....or anywhere

 

[Two Professors]

Strange example, the privatisation of BT is precisely the reason why we have such a shocking fibre network. Wherever you have a national infrastructure challenge, 'competition' doesn't work. Power, railways, telecoms etc.....

If BT were still the Post Office,we would have telephones with big dials in the middle,and a 6 week wait for a line to be installed by 7 different tradesmen.