[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Jolly Red Giant]

You are right, it does need to change. A more centre left Labour Party would have walked this election. Unfortunately Momentum have taken over and made Labour unelectable.

This is serious bullsh*t -

The LP manifesto isn't that radical - it doesn't even restore the full taxes on the rich or the level of public spending that existed in 2010.

 

[Mileoakman]

The postal votes should be opened as the ballot boxes are opened on voting day, why are they even allowed to open them earlier?

Actually they are opened before the ballot boxes and at some Councils as they come in. They have to be for the security information included to be checked and verified. The ballot papers are then bundled and held securely but not sorted or counted. They are only counted with the main ballot boxes after the poll closes.

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[BenGarfield]

Ben the Green defends racist who compares the Jews to Nazis.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comme...now-the-truth-about-chris-williamson-1.493936

I'm working early tomorrow so there's probably 24 hours till I cast my vote. You and JRG are enough to turn anyone Tory.

Well do so then, its obviously your natural home.

As with Corbyn, Chris Williamson is one of the leading anti-racist campaigners of his generation. To accuse him of anti-semitsm or racism of any kind is absurd and outrageous. The Jewish Chronicle, a zionist supporting periodical, that well known font of truth, was recently admonished by IPSO for its lies over Louise Ellmans problems with her local party in Liverpool - is hardly a reliable source of information on these matters. As far as I can gather from the article, assuming its correct in any way, he didnt compare Jews to Nazis, but liked a tweet which made reference to Bonhoffer who spoke out against the nazis and made comparisons with people supporting the anti-semitism smear campaign against the labour party, largely the corporate media, the right of the labour party, the military industrial complex, and zionists, some of whom may or may not be Jewish.. Their problem with Williamson is his support for the treatment by the Israeili government of the palestinian people. To assume, as you seem to, and as does the Jewish Chronicle, that this powerful lobby group is led by or composed mainly of Jewish people is itself anti-semitic in the real sense of the word.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

As I said yesterday Labour will already have excuses and blame lined up, it wont be that people dislike Jezza nor his stupid polices being rejected.

Indeed.

It will be that the electorate were fooled by Boris the liar.

And Corbyn and his inner sanctum will convince themselves the electorate will see the error of their ways after Boris has ****ed everything up. And in five years time, 75 year old Jezza will ride to the rescue, the foolish electorate having learned the error of their ways.

Delusional. And so sad (for the electorate).

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

In case anyone missed this:

....

Basically, Corbyn is a looney leftie that will literally destroy this country.

Vote for him at your peril.

Are you still trying to peddle that one - after I exposed this nonsense taking just the first half dozen of your accusations here -

https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?376151-The-General-Election-Thread&p=9166786#post9166786

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

No thanks. You'd love that. Do one you irrelevant troll, you've already been shown up to be a massive liar twice this afternoon.

Liar - pray tell - give us the quote

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well do so then, its obviously your natural home.

As with Corbyn, Chris Williamson is one of the leading anti-racist campaigners of his generation. To accuse him of anti-semitsm or racism of any kind is absurd and outrageous. The Jewish Chronicle, a zionist supporting periodical, that well known font of truth, was recently admonished by IPSO for its lies over Louise Ellmans problems with her local party in Liverpool - is hardly a reliable source of information on these matters. As far as I can gather from the article, assuming its correct in any way, he didnt compare Jews to Nazis, but liked a tweet which made reference to Bonhoffer who spoke out against the nazis and made comparisons with people supporting the anti-semitism smear campaign against the labour party, largely the corporate media, the right of the labour party, the military industrial complex, and zionists, some of whom may or may not be Jewish.. Their problem with Williamson is his support for the treatment by the Israeili government of the palestinian people. To assume, as you seem to, and as does the Jewish Chronicle, that this powerful lobby group is led by or composed mainly of Jewish people is itself anti-semitic in the real sense of the word.

No compromise with the electorate

That worked well in the early 80s, and you consider it a plan now?

The name of the game is to win, not ponce around, snooty, on a high horse. FFS.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Just a quickie, what are the IRA doing with themselves these days now they have been talked out of terrorism and are part of the democratic process ?

In the North - they have been in bed with the DUP and have been implementing Tory cuts on health, education, housing, welfare .......

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Yes of course you should stay in the party, but not actively campaign against the leader or party and accept the conference decisions in good grace. Equally accept the right of mps such as Chris Williamson to stay in the party too and not be hounded out for alleged support for anti-semitism.

The treatment of Williamson actually demonstrates how the Blairites are still in control of LP HQ.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

The LP needs to selected candidates that the local electorate want to vote for. Or you get a Tory government.

Labour needs to select candidates that support LP policy as decided by the LP conference - and then go and demonstrate how these policies benefit 95% of the people in Britain.

 

[beorhthelm]

The Tories cut £70billion in public spending since 2010

whats that, about 1% of the total public spend?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

you're sooo far left even the soft sops in Momentum are trendy liberals.

Never claimed to be anything other on the 'far' left - If you are a socialist you cannot do anything other than support working class people and fight a system that deprives working class people of basic human rights.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This is serious bullsh*t -

The LP manifesto isn't that radical - it doesn't even restore the full taxes on the rich or the level of public spending that existed in 2010.

Well, Corbyn is a shit salesman, then.

Renationalising the railways is a bit of a give away, though.

Uncosted nonsense (just as the tory's is).

Anyway, the name of the game is Get Brexit Done so the mad spending promises by both sides is irrelevant.

Dunno why, Corbyn's promises seem shitter though. Maybe it is because he has also studiously refused to get Brexit done (one way or the other) and comes across as a daffy old tit. I say that as someone who will be voting labour tomorrow

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

whats that, about 1% of the total public spend?

Context, though, to be fair. It all depends where the 1% is removed and how.

If I removed 1% of your brain (a tea spoon would do the job) you'd likely be a bit miffed

 

[CheeseRolls]

No compromise with the electorate

That worked well in the early 80s, and you consider it a plan now?

The name of the game is to win, not ponce around, snooty, on a high horse. FFS.

Succint and to the point. I lifted this from a tweet earlier this week from Harry Lambert a smart young journo, who I think will go far.

"The progressives of any particular generation are often conceited, doctrinaire, blinkered and intolerant… The asininities of those who are 'with it' frequently surpass the follies of those who are against 'it' (whatever 'it' means)." - Robert Blake, 1997 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bl

Blake of course was a right wing historian, so we can immediately right off his opinions, except...

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

whats that, about 1% of the total public spend?

The £8.6billion given to the richest 15,000 people in Britain with the Tories tax cut from 50%-45% would have paid for the following -

an extra 20,000 nurses, 10,000 extra police community support officers (PCSOs), 10,000 extra police officers, and 20,000 newly qualified teachers - every year for the whole five years.

or

60,000 bursaries for nurses, midwives and other health professionals, 10,000 extra nurses, 10,000 extra PCSOs and 10,000 newly qualified teachers - every year for five years.

or

it could have reversed the social care crisis by putting £1.7billion a year back into the sector



Instead it benefited 15,000 people who gained an average of £554,000 each

 

[Is it PotG?]

As Neil pointed out tonight, Labour's plans seems to be based around the NHS. A thin margin on which to base a campaign it seems.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Well do so then, its obviously your natural home.

As with Corbyn, Chris Williamson is one of the leading anti-racist campaigners of his generation. To accuse him of anti-semitsm or racism of any kind is absurd and outrageous. The Jewish Chronicle, a zionist supporting periodical, that well known font of truth, was recently admonished by IPSO for its lies over Louise Ellmans problems with her local party in Liverpool - is hardly a reliable source of information on these matters. As far as I can gather from the article, assuming its correct in any way, he didnt compare Jews to Nazis, but liked a tweet which made reference to Bonhoffer who spoke out against the nazis and made comparisons with people supporting the anti-semitism smear campaign against the labour party, largely the corporate media, the right of the labour party, the military industrial complex, and zionists, some of whom may or may not be Jewish.. Their problem with Williamson is his support for the treatment by the Israeili government of the palestinian people. To assume, as you seem to, and as does the Jewish Chronicle, that this powerful lobby group is led by or composed mainly of Jewish people is itself anti-semitic in the real sense of the word.

I wondered if the "z" word would come out. You've used it twice. Well done.

 

[Bakero]

A business that is just about breaking even, paying the staff minimum wage, doesn't really sound like a viable concern. There is no room for error and one setback will wipe the business out.

But we need to keep millions in poverty or these business owners may really struggle.

 

[Lever]

In case anyone missed this:

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really.


Basically, Corbyn is a looney leftie that will literally destroy this country.

Vote for him at your peril.

You really do continue to write some careless ill-considered things; are you really supporting and recommending a serial liar? Lies will destroy this country if nothing else........