Tonight I TV 9pm live - Cameron Vs Farage.

[lawros left foot]

If the Outers win,I think it will be in spite of Nodding Nigel, not because of him

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Just hope the money you spend wasn't earned in the U.K. We need as many people as possible who work here to spend their untaxed money here - not spend/send it abroad - otherwise it's a drain on our economy.

No, the money I've earnt over the past 12 years has been earnt and spent in Tokyo(apart from holidays, obviously). I have no horse in this race I just think the calibre of politician fronting both campaigns is horrendous and leaves the country, whatever the result, with not a whole lot to look forward to.

 

[Gwylan]

I just think the calibre of politician fronting both campaigns is horrendous and leaves the country, whatever the result, with not a whole lot to look forward to.

I've been an outer for about 40 years but the one thing that worries me about voting No is that it's seen as a tacit endorsement for Johnson as PM (an Out vote will certainly see CMD leaving and Boris odds-on to take his place), that's a prospect that's really scary.

I'm pissed off that something that should be a debate about the future direction of this country has been turned into a contest for the Tory leadership: something's gone really wrong somewhere

 

[Chicken Run]

Two individuals who have proved themselves incapable of putting any sort of coherent case for the side of the argument that they have chosen to support.

Corbyn on the other hand........

 

[Pavilionaire]

its a real shame people are putting too much emphasis on the characters of the people on both sides of the debate.
we need to get away from thinking its some sort personal election for them or a career move and concentrate solely on the issues
If we dont we have nothing more than an x factor competition

You've lumped my quote in there with people who've named only one or two politicians, so missed my point completely which is that virtually all of the main proponents of the LEAVE campaign are generally perceived as being bonkers, extreme, political failures or a combination thereof.

 

[lawros left foot]

The best thing about this whole referendum shambles, is watching the Tory party tearing themselves to ribbons,with the added bonus of the aftermath, whichever way it goes, to come.

We should have more contentious referendums,I reckon, especially as it was forced on Dave by his nemesis(possibly) Nodding Nigel Farage




Marvellous scenes!

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm voting leave and thought Cameron won by a street. Farage, as predicted, switched into ranting mode. I see UKIP's sole MP has distanced himself from Farage's remarks - if your own party isn't supporting you, then you really are in trouble.

Cameron may have given a more polished performance but I'm still voting leave - much as it grieves me to be on the same side as a buffoon like Farage

I knew there would be one or two! Perception is an interesting thing - one man's "ranting" is another man's "passionate", one man's "polished" is another man's "autopilot".

I thought Farage's performance was the more interesting to watch because the result of the next 15 days will define his political career. Last night with Farage there was a sense of man fighting for his life, whereas for CMD it almost felt like another day at the office.

 

[Gwylan]

I knew there would be one or two! Perception is an interesting thing - one man's "ranting" is another man's "passionate", one man's "polished" is another man's "autopilot".

I thought Farage's performance was the more interesting to watch because the result of the next 15 days will define his political career. Last night with Farage there was a sense of man fighting for his life, whereas for CMD it almost felt like another day at the office.

Yes, there was a sense that Cameron was reading from a script but he rarely looked flustered.

Farage, on the other hand, looked wildly out of his depth when the pharmaceutical bloke started pressing him and it was clear that he didn't have a clue about the repercussions for big pharma. I just couldn't imagine Cameron being in that situation. I also think that telling a member of the audience to "calm down" was the sign of someone losing control, accomplished politicians don't do that - especially as the audience member had asked her question perfectly calmly, something the moderator quickly pointed out

 

[BigGully]

I've been an outer for about 40 years but the one thing that worries me about voting No is that it's seen as a tacit endorsement for Johnson as PM (an Out vote will certainly see CMD leaving and Boris odds-on to take his place), that's a prospect that's really scary.

I'm pissed off that something that should be a debate about the future direction of this country has been turned into a contest for the Tory leadership: something's gone really wrong somewhere

Why waste a genuine principle of thinking we should leave on transient politicians, they will soon be gone, anyway rather our own elected politicians than those within the EU shirley .......

 

[Boy Blue]

If the "In" campaign win then I don't want to hear their bleeding moaning about Housing, NHS, Immigration ( millions will come and Anglia Merkel has said she'll force the UK to take their share of Muslim migrants )Terrorists, Criminals, EU army, Billions more sent abroad in international aid and fines.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Yes, there was a sense that Cameron was reading from a script but he rarely looked flustered.

Farage, on the other hand, looked wildly out of his depth when the pharmaceutical bloke started pressing him and it was clear that he didn't have a clue about the repercussions for big pharma. I just couldn't imagine Cameron being in that situation. I also think that telling a member of the audience to "calm down" was the sign of someone losing control, accomplished politicians don't do that - especially as the audience member had asked her question perfectly calmly, something the moderator quickly pointed out

That was his low-point although, paradoxically, he might have pulled it round if he'd done it in a Scouse accent or chucked a "dear" on the end, a la Michael Winner.

 

[Mowgli37]

its a real shame people are putting too much emphasis on the characters of the people on both sides of the debate.
we need to get away from thinking its some sort personal election for them or a career move and concentrate solely on the issues
If we dont we have nothing more than an x factor competition

My decision is very firmly based facts relating to the issues thank you. I was merely lamenting the fact that the man fronting them is one of the worst prime ministers this country has ever had the misfortune of electing.

You are quite right though, people are way too easily led by who they like and dislike in politics rather than the facts and reasoning.

Which is exactly why cuddly Boris scarily stands a good chance of soon being PM.

 

[Gwylan]

Why waste a genuine principle of thinking we should leave on transient politicians, they will soon be gone, anyway rather our own elected politicians than those within the EU shirley .......

Oh, I didn't say I was changing my mind, just rather scared that I'm no seen as Johnson supporter. I console myself with the thought that he could well be gone in a couple of years

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Without reading 18 pages........ I would ask :
Why was Cameron given an easier ride? Certain members of the selected audience were just out to target Farage, no matter what he said..
The moderator was a waste of space. Had no control of the audience at all .
They listened with respect to D C , not the "Vote Leave"" arguments.
It was not the promised debate , I think in America they call it a Town Hall Meeting.

Biased, I say!

 

[WhingForPresident]

Without reading 18 pages........ I would ask :
Why was Cameron given an easier ride? Certain members of the selected audience were just out to target Farage, no matter what he said..
The moderator was a waste of space. Had no control of the audience at all .
They listened with respect to D C , not the "Vote Leave"" arguments.
It was not the promised debate , I think in America they call it a Town Hall Meeting.

Biased, I say!

It's already come out that the black woman that wouldn't let Farage speak is a Huffington Post blogger and 'blacktivist' that was 'hand-picked' to be a member of the audience by ITV.

 

[scamander]

Farage is a personality which people go for, hence criticism is about him, not necessarily the overarching policy or ideas he espouses. Cameron is very polished, when asked a question he sells an answer back which is often different to the one asked. There's a fair bit of skill in that.

Take the question someone asked Cameron about supreme courts and sovereignty, if you'd heard his response it would be almost impossible to guess the question as it held very little detail in terms of response. I was surprised he wasn't pinned down on this.

He's been doing this for years at PMQs, it's an art form.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

It's already come out that the black woman that wouldn't let Farage speak is a Huffington Post blogger and 'blacktivist' that was 'hand-picked' to be a member of the audience by ITV.

If your interested Jon Gaunt interviewed her. She was indeed hand picked.
https://audioboom.com/boos/4668770-jon-has-a-dust-up-with-imriel-morgan-from-itv-debate

 

[Bold Seagull]

Without reading 18 pages........ I would ask :
Why was Cameron given an easier ride? Certain members of the selected audience were just out to target Farage, no matter what he said..
The moderator was a waste of space. Had no control of the audience at all .
They listened with respect to D C , not the "Vote Leave"" arguments.
It was not the promised debate , I think in America they call it a Town Hall Meeting.

Biased, I say!

Rightly biased I would say. Who is Nigel Farage to share a platform with our elected Prime Minister? That audience democratically elected David Cameron to lead this country. There is no mandate for a constituency MEP to be sharing a debate of this magnitude with our Prime Minister. Why wasn't Gove or Johnson up there? At least they were elected to represent us. Farage is supposedly representing that the EU is not democratic enough - an irony if there ever was one.

 

[scamander]

I knew there would be one or two! Perception is an interesting thing - one man's "ranting" is another man's "passionate", one man's "polished" is another man's "autopilot".

I thought Farage's performance was the more interesting to watch because the result of the next 15 days will define his political career. Last night with Farage there was a sense of man fighting for his life, whereas for CMD it almost felt like another day at the office.

It can almost be argued that Nigel would benefit from Brexin, if we were to leave where would his party sit or find traction? I sense a few on the Brexit side are secretly hoping that the result is that we stay in purely so they can rail at the sidelines.

Whatever the result the following months will see any situation through the lens of what didn't happen, the side who win will face an enormous task of keeping people happy as nirvana has been promised by both sides.

 

[BigGully]

Rightly biased I would say. Who is Nigel Farage to share a platform with our elected Prime Minister? That audience democratically elected David Cameron to lead this country. There is no mandate for a constituency MEP to be sharing a debate of this magnitude with our Prime Minister. Why wasn't Gove or Johnson up there? At least they were elected to represent us. Farage is supposedly representing that the EU is not democratic enough - an irony if there ever was one.

What exactly does rightly biased mean and what is your own criteria for a politician to be deserving of 'rightly biased' debates ??