Bloom speaks...

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I may have expressed myself poorly (and it wouldn't be the first time) but I wasn't trying to make a point about any specific information here - more that there seems to be a tendency by many on here to indulge in extreme wishful thinking based on no evidence whatsoever.

A year ago, an astonishing number of people jumped aboard the Oscar bandwagon and made judgements about the sort of players he was going to sign and the type of football he was going to get us playing before he'd even picked his first Albion team - and now with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight it seems they always knew he was a wrong 'un.

I also don't think it's true to say that the media had a problem with him or found him uncommunicative. I was told by an Israeli journalist I know that Oscar always spoke in cliches and never said anything interesting, but he turned out to be much better than I'd expected - and certainly more interesting than that self-satisfied rear end Pochettino.

I think you are right. Most supporters indulge in wishful thinking. I know I do. When Garcia arrived we did think we knew we were in for. The Maccabi experience according to their supporters on here (mind you it may have just been one bloke - probably a cousin) was:
1. slow defensive start as players get used to the new formations and methods
2. more attacking display as the season goes on
3. ending in confident team and players playing an offensive successful game
We waited for 2 and 3. I have been discussing with people around me for months that we had no clear idea what game we were meant to be playing. At least with Gus - we understood it - even if people did not agree with it. With Oscar it alternated between possession and the ball into Leo/the channel (hoof).

Now the stories come out - it is fair enough to look again at what we have seen and re-evaluate. Fair play to those that thought he was a wrong 'un. I didn't because I wanted to believe he was the man and we would turn a corner.

When the new bloke comes in - I will indulge in wishful thinking again. That's football for me.

 

[vulture]

Has any one a link to this interview?

 

[symyjym]

If you've got a wage structure, you have to stick to it.

If the players find out Player X is being paid £2000 per week more than them, it gives them incentive to ask for more than the upper limit when their negotiations start on a new contract.

It also breeds disharmony and jealousy.

No player should be allowed to hold the club to ransom and succeed.

Ever.

Players don’t necessarily discuss or brag about their wages to team mates and some are worth more than others. We could have also sold Grabban at a good profit.

Losing winnable games brings disharmony.

Buying players is a gamble and sometimes you shouldn’t and sometimes you should, and in my opinion we should have gambled on Grabban, and for a short term loan Conway.

Everyone was disappointed after the transfer window and I can understand Oscar’s frustration with the club regardless of any excuses, good or bad. Bloom has more time than any manager so there is an imbalance in the related timeline for progress and it shows.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I heard a month ago that Tony and the board were a bit upset at Oscars laid back approach. Turning up late for training, having no input at training, and not doing any prep work on the retained/ released list, which has come out today.
Being 100% behind Oscar, I dismissed it as gossip, but put that with some of Bozza's little nuggets, and maybe all was not as well as we all assumed.

I liked the way Tony Bloom said in response to the suggestion that Oscar worked hard - something along the lines of "well he certainly worked hard on his English"

 

[symyjym]

Let's hypothetically say for a minute that we didn't get Conway because Oscar himself couldn't decide on getting him back till too late. Would that change your mind?

Unless there was some truth to it, it is hard to go as deep as hypothetically because it branches off too much

 

[fosters headband]

So let me get this right.

Poyet was too much of an extrovert for Bloom.

Garcia was too much of an introvert for Bloom.

So basically the next appointment will be somewhere in the middle

Maybe

Malcolm McKay
Christopher Powell
Gianfranco Zola
Christopher Hughton
Edward Howe

Ruled Out

William Davies
Timothy Sherwood
Darren Ferguson
Neil Warnock

It will be someone who can coach players like Agustein, Lita , Obika Monanka and Andrews into worthwhile signings. Simple

 

[fosters headband]

Wow, you've changed. A year ago your posts read like you were a member of Bloom's inner sanctum!

That's what's called making a judgement on what he think has gone on, nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

 

[ozzygull]

I think you are right. Most supporters indulge in wishful thinking. I know I do. When Garcia arrived we did think we knew we were in for. The Maccabi experience according to their supporters on here (mind you it may have just been one bloke - probably a cousin) was:
1. slow defensive start as players get used to the new formations and methods
2. more attacking display as the season goes on
3. ending in confident team and players playing an offensive successful game
We waited for 2 and 3. I have been discussing with people around me for months that we had no clear idea what game we were meant to be playing. At least with Gus - we understood it - even if people did not agree with it. With Oscar it alternated between possession and the ball into Leo/the channel (hoof).

Now the stories come out - it is fair enough to look again at what we have seen and re-evaluate. Fair play to those that thought he was a wrong 'un. I didn't because I wanted to believe he was the man and we would turn a corner.

When the new bloke comes in - I will indulge in wishful thinking again. That's football for me.

I agree with that. When we get a manager I give them my support until such time I see any real evidence that they don't deserve it. I like to think they are trying to do the best for our club. I liked Oscar and did not want him to leave. It seems to me that things have not worked out for what ever reason. I trust TB and I don't dislike Oscar it has ended the most amicable way that any football manager could leave, thankfully. It's shame it did not workout, but we move on.

 

[Monkey Man]

Oscar in hindsight was the wrong appointment. But I think Bloom appointed him for all the right reasons. I have complete faith in his next choice and will support him until given a reason not to.

Blind faith? Maybe. But I genuinely can't imagine this club ever having an owner with better motivations or ambitions.

(Truth be told, I kind of enjoy these little "crises". I remember the crises we had when we were homeless and bottom of the league. To me this is still Disneyland.)

 

[Triggaaar]

I love Tony Bloom

 

[Acker79]

Has any one a link to this interview?

You mean, other than the one in the first post?

 

[Silverhatch]

Well clearly I am a free thinker then.

Gus had good backing over the years but said he wanted to leave in March just a few months after we secured the Ulloa signing. At the time when he was suspended I even thought TB would have him back. That said the email he sent to all the staff and went public was not a professional action.

As it stands the gross misconducts have remained a secret and one that Gus could clear up as there is no pending appeal or court action. It could be that he would find it too embarrassing? Or we can find out that it was unjustified? We do not know, but the ball is in his court on this one.

I will look at everything on its own merit and form an opinion but Oscar made it clear about leaving and did the right thing by offering his resignation and I do not blame him. Gus on the other hand made a song and dance about it instead of doing the same honourable thing.

Gus would have wanted much more investment than Bloom could reasonably afford, but even he may be surprised at how little Oscar got.

Gus wanted more investment than the business could/can afford, and also the rules that FFP (currently) stipulate. I'm sure this was explained to Oscar but when push came to shove the reasons got lost in translation.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I agree with that. When we get a manager I give them my support until such time I see any real evidence that they don't deserve it. I like to think they are trying to do the best for our club. I liked Oscar and did not want him to leave. It seems to me that things have not worked out for what ever reason. I trust TB and I don't dislike Oscar it has ended the most amicable way that any football manager could leave, thankfully. It's shame it did not workout, but we move on.

I can stomach any manager at this club,even Glen Hoddle and i am in full agreement with you,but what i really don't like is a manager having 1 hand tied behind his back,he must have control over signings targets etc

Dare i say it it's almost as if somebody somewhere is saying to the manager/coach how we must play......1 forward,too.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Bozza, as usual, has the inside scoop on this. Oscar had ample opportunity to talk to Bloom or whoever else, about specific players and had an obligation to keep the communication channel open.

He clearly failed to do this. Unforgivably he chose to go AWOL at crucial points in the season like, oh let's say transfer deadline day, and preferred to sulk somewhere because he wasn't given a blank cheque.

Pisspoor Attitude.

He did a great job getting us to sixth though. Obviously he can coach. He just isn't grown up enough to actually manage a bigger team than Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Adios Oscar. Keep working on the attitude and one day you might be up to task.

 

[Seasider78]

It certainly sounds like communication was a big issue and with little direction being given by Oscar to the recruitment team it is little wonder the signing have not fitted in as expected. Sounds like Oscar was unhappy none of his unrealistic targets were secured so became detached from recruitment. This is what I think bloom was referring to with 'he liked to delegate a lot'.

All in all sounds like a frustrating experience for all involved and does not mean either party need demonising he was just not the right fit.

 

[Machiavelli]

Naylor

Bloom interview

Interviewer "Some suggestions he was unhappy with certain aspects.....to do with recruitment"

TB "He wanted certain players but he didn't communicate what he wanted and things would change....."

(not in the interview but I've heard not re-signing Conway was a good example of this btw)


TB "Rodriguez was one of Oscars MAIN Targets."

Interviewer "It's been suggested Oscar had his own list of players that you were unable to get"

TB "Yeah, that's not true at all."

I listened to the interview a couple of hours ago, but I think you've slipped the crucial word MAIN in there, and even capitalised it. I might be wrong on this. But, if not, the fact that SD*2 was an Oscar target chimes with the comment released by Oscar's spokesperson that he was on his list, but at the bottom of it.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

It certainly sounds like communication was a big issue and with little direction being given by Oscar to the recruitment team it is little wonder the signing have not fitted in as expected. Sounds like Oscar was unhappy none of his unrealistic targets were secured so became detached from recruitment. This is what I think bloom was referring to with 'he liked to delegate a lot'.

All in all sounds like a frustrating experience for all involved and does not mean either party need demonising they were just not the right fit.

Oh well we move on

A result of a non English manager or an astute Oscar seeing the wood for the trees and failing to commit 100% to a ultimately fruitless task is how i'd view that.

 

[timbha]

apparently Oscar didn't communicate much with the players either, for example immediately after a match.

 

[El Presidente]

I feel my intelligence has been insulated

 

[symyjym]

Gus wanted more investment than the business could/can afford, and also the rules that FFP (currently) stipulate. I'm sure this was explained to Oscar but when push came to shove the reasons got lost in translation.

Or Bloom over sold it to him with the shiny new stadium, new academy, Prem ambitions and state of the art player recruitment app, and forgetting to tell Oscar that by the way you will get sweet fa at the most crucial part of the season. Maybe it did get lost in translation and if that is the case Bloom needs to work harder on his Spanish.