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CheeseRolls

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NSC Patron
Jan 27, 2009
6,366
Shoreham Beach
sadly no, it actually leads to higher prices, because a floor has been set in the market below which prices wont go. (not that it makes much difference for us in the western world, where the raw material cost is a small fraction of the cost of most foods).

Does this not assume that in all instances and at all times there is a natural surplus ? Some element of production would not exist without subsidy, which would reduce supply and hence increase the price of raw materials in times of scarcity.
 




Goldstone Rapper

Rediffusion PlayerofYear
Jan 19, 2009
14,865
BN3 7DE
Not half as awkward as the most earnest, PC, bore ever to have posted on the internet.

Thanks for returning back to your usual caricature.
 


Was not Was

Loitering with intent
Jul 31, 2003
1,635
All these crazy Islamists in Africa creating mayhem at Allah's bidding (apparently).

More of them (under the guise of Al Quaeda) doing exactly the same in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Civil war in Syria.

The Israel/Palestine problem still ongoing.

Tehran ruled by mad mullahs and maybe building a nuclear bomb.

The gun lobby (NRA) in the USA refusing to back down over gun control.

Overpopulation.


And in the UK:

The obscene amounts of money EU membership costs the UK taxpayer.

Immigration.

Welfare costs.

The ridiculous move to build more windfarms.



I have seldom felt so negative about the way things are going in the world or in the UK. One big fecking mess. Why the hell can't we live together in peace and harmony?

Maybe NSC has the solution to all the world's ills.

Wibble!
 








spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
9,608
Brighton
We have a three party state ( despite what UKIP and the Greens might suggest ) :

Tories - mostly pro-EU
Labour - mostly pro-EU
Lib Dem - completely pro-EU

Given ninety odd percent of people will vote for one of these parties, in many cases because they're stupid enough to state "my father voted for x all his life so I'll vote x all my life" - it's hardly a democracy. Add in that most of the policies of all three main parties are almost identical and we clearly don't have a true democracy.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from, the electorate gets the government it deserves etc.. Let's say hypothetically though, that UKIP were to poll late teens low 20's in the next GE, I would imagine that would be enough to send a pretty stark message to the big 3 regardless of the number of seats it were to give them (if any.) It's up to euro-sceptics supporters of all parties to provide sufficient narrative to encourage people to act. At present the electorate doesn't deem it to be a big enough issue I suspect, that in itself doesn't mean democracy isn't working, it means the Euro sceptics have lost/are losing the debate.
 




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Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from, the electorate gets the government it deserves etc.. Let's say hypothetically though, that UKIP were to poll late teens low 20's in the next GE, I would imagine that would be enough to send a pretty stark message to the big 3 regardless of the number of seats it were to give them (if any.) It's up to euro-sceptics supporters of all parties to provide sufficient narrative to encourage people to act. At present the electorate doesn't deem it to be a big enough issue I suspect, that in itself doesn't mean democracy isn't working, it means the Euro sceptics have lost/are losing the debate.

What UKIP have managed to do, correct me If I am wrong, is open up the debate about the EU and Immigration. I am noticing Farage is getting more a platform, which I think is good.
 




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May 9, 2008
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Haywards Heath
Yeah, come to my door and show me.
That wasnt too difficult was it ? if i do make a trip to prague i'll be happy to, though its unlikely at the moment,and i'd hazard a guess that is the reasoning behind your post , there is more likelihood that you'll come overe here before i do, why not let me know when you are , i'll be more than happy to meet up and show you.
 




spring hall convert

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2009
9,608
Brighton
What UKIP have managed to do, correct me If I am wrong, is open up the debate about the EU and Immigration. I am noticing Farage is getting more a platform, which I think is good.

Which is democracy in action and exactly my point. Don't underestimate the serious hell a swing to UKIP could be for the Tories. My advice to a Euro-sceptic of any political pursusion would be to get behind Farage if they care about it enough. He's the one with the platform at present.
 


daveinprague

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Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
That wasnt too difficult was it ? if i do make a trip to prague i'll be happy to, though its unlikely at the moment,and i'd hazard a guess that is the reasoning behind your post , there is more likelihood that you'll come overe here before i do, why not let me know when you are , i'll be more than happy to meet up and show you.

Some experimental spelling there dullard?
 






D

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Which is democracy in action and exactly my point. Don't underestimate the serious hell a swing to UKIP could be for the Tories. My advice to a Euro-sceptic of any political pursusion would be to get behind Farage if they care about it enough. He's the one with the platform at present.

I do care enough about it. I'm going to give them a chance.
 


daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
What the f*** are you on about ?? The spelling is all correct , you wouldnt be trying to avoid my offer to meet up and show you the quote function would you ?



Avoid??? haha,....yeah that will be it.

As soon as I am there, Ill let you know, trust me....lol@avoid....fecking hell...funny.
 










BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,963
There's two central planks to the arguments around renewables;
1) Do we accept that i) man-made global warming is happening ii) that it's a bad thing and iii) that we should do something about it?
2) If the answer to the above is 'yes' - how do we develop efficient renewables technology?

One of the primary routes the government has gone down the road of subsidising people to use renewable generation methods - assuming that over time increased take-up of these devices will drive demand and increase private sector R&D in the sector. They could alternatively have simply invested in R&D, but the danger in that strategy is that you end up with a 'white elephant', at least until total supplies of coal and gas run out (by which time we're probably well past any kind of 'tipping point' in terms of climate change).[/Q


1.)Global warming is not necessarily happening but climate change is,always has done and always will do.
2.)Man's effect on climate change, if there is any,is virtually impossible to quantify.
3.)Global warming/climate change is not necessarily bad for everyone.
4.)Better off using technology to learn how to live with climate change and making the most of it rather than try and change something that we can't.
 


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