[Albion] Dunk - straight red?

[Sheebo]

I'd say telling someone to f off is pretty clearly foul and abusive language

Oh do f*** off

 

[Seagull58]

It wasn't for dissent.

It wasn't for dissent.

Foul and abusive language. The first such red card on the pitch for this offence since Alan Smith in 2008. Yet we've seen players shout abuse at the refs many, many times in the intervening period without punishment.

 

[Seagull58]

Exactly.

Dunk knew he was in trouble when he was walking away from Taylor. First he offered the hand-of-apology behind his back and then a full-on handshake.

He knew he'd overstepped the mark and was risking an early bath.

The only strange bit, for me, is the straight red and not a second yellow. It can't be the case that on Saturday Lewis Dunk abused a referee worse than anyone else has in the last 12 or 15 years, depending which stat is correct.

15 years since the last on the field of play. 12 years since the last off the field of play.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Is it the FA or the PL that employs the refs?

 

[US Seagull]

I wonder if Dunk felt some need to protect Jack Hinshelwood and if that might not have played into his (over) reaction to the ref?

 

[essbee1]

Is it the FA or the PL that employs the refs?

It's Gerry Cottle's Circus (clown section)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’ve seen the penalty decision for Forest attributed to evening the decisions.
Why do decisions need to be evened out?
Admittedly, I was at home watching Soccer Saturday but the panel consists of ex players who have the benefit of replays in front of them.
Our penalty was the result of Wood pulling Predro down. You can see it clearly on the highlights, but it was called on tv as well.
The Forest penalty was discussed and described by Michael Dawson as a coming together, but not a foul. Taylor didn’t give it but VAR told him to have a look. Why? Why do penalties need to be evened out?
It’s not children at a party where everyone has to have a fair share.

 

[Zeberdi]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

"F**K OFF!!" shouted clearly in the direction of an official not count for you?

There is TONNES of that most weeks.

Then we have a problem if ”oh fcuk off Ref” going to be a red card dissent - you’d end up with less than 7 players on at least one of the teams and the match would have to be abandoned. I think were are long past the time when ‘fcuk off ref’ was a straight red card offence - a yellow yes, or verbal warning but not a sending off (FFS )

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I’ve seen the penalty decision for Forest attributed to evening the decisions.
Why do decisions need to be evened out?
Admittedly, I was at home watching Soccer Saturday but the panel consists of ex players who have the benefit of replays in front of them.
Our penalty was the result of Wood pulling Predro down. You can see it clearly on the highlights, but it was called on tv as well.
The Forest penalty was discussed and described by Michael Dawson as a coming together, but not a foul. Taylor didn’t give it but VAR told him to have a look. Why? Why do penalties need to be evened out?
It’s not children at a party where everyone has to have a fair share.

Agree

Cooper's rant against the refereeing seemed to be that he was affronted that the penalty wasn't given by the ref.
Odd, considering he was forced to overrule it.

Agreed that ours looked more of a penalty than theirs, but that may be because there was a much better view of ours.

 

[Justice]

Have you ever seen a referee overturn a VAR decision? Once called over it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Only one Oliver and in fact is was our game against Villa

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I'm not angry as such. I am a little peeved that Taylor decided to take action concerning an "offence" that occurs in nearly every match but is never punished. This seems unfair, possibly corrupt.

My daughter picked up a stone on the walk to school this morning and threw it at a lampost to make a noise. I told her off. However, her first response was "but I've seen other parents let their children do it". I told her I didn't care what other parents said and it wasn't the right thing to do. She then called me corrupt and told me Alan Smith or Lee Cattermole was the last child to be told off for throwing a stone at that lampost, which I thought was an amazing reference seeing as she's five.

 

[tronnogull]

We can't obtain consistency for the past. We, generally, agree that refs should be protected from abuse.
I'm ok with Dunk's red card so long as he is simply the first and this standard is applied consistently in the future......

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

There is a lot of talk on here about refereeing incompetence. I regularly ref school youth football and that's stressful enough with whingeing parents questioning every decision. I can't begin to imagine what it is like trying to ref a Premier league match with twenty two absolute cheats playing on the pitch, thirty thousand or more biased fans screaming at you and minute frame by frame analysis of every decision. Who would do it?
So what we need is refereeing perfection; maybe reffing by artificial intelligence. But we'd still moan wouldn't we? It's not about incompetence or perfection; we just want every single decision given to our team or they're wrong. Someone beam me back to the 60s please...

Not everyone necessarily wants every single decision to go to their team. I’ve sat in WSU on occasion feeling sure that an Albion goal was offside when it was allowed, or suspecting that one of our own had dived.

but then there are times when you see it live and are outraged, but when you see the replay and the analysis you have to suck it up and think “fair enough”.

but what most gets me - whether it’s for us or anyone else - is when a defender wraps his arms around an attacking player and bodily throws him to the ground and nothing is given. I appreciate it’s a physical game and there will be contact, but literally holding someone so they can’t get to the ball

 

[fruitnveg]

We can't obtain consistency for the past. We, generally, agree that refs should be protected from abuse.
I'm ok with Dunk's red card so long as he is simply the first and this standard is applied consistently in the future......

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

We can't obtain consistency for the past. We, generally, agree that refs should be protected from abuse.
I'm ok with Dunk's red card so long as he is simply the first and this standard is applied consistently in the future......

It is, of course, possible that a player telling a referee that he's a complete bellend straight to his face is actually a fairly rare occurence

 

[Change at Barnham]

My daughter picked up a stone on the walk to school this morning and threw it at a lampost to make a noise. I told her off. However, her first response was "but I've seen other parents let their children do it". I told her I didn't care what other parents said and it wasn't the right thing to do. She then called me corrupt and told me Alan Smith or Lee Cattermole was the last child to be told off for throwing a stone at that lampost, which I thought was an amazing reference seeing as she's five.

My neighbour's 4-year-old has been learning Spanish since lockdown.

He still can't say "please" though, which I think is poor for four.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

I don’t have a problem with it - this sort of language shouldn’t be tolerated, it sets a bad example to kids and Dunk should have known better, especially as captain.
If I was a ref at whatever level I wouldn’t expect to be on the receiving end of that and would sent the f****r off straight away.

 

[Zeberdi]

Agree

Cooper's rant against the refereeing seemed to be that he was affronted that the penalty wasn't given by the ref.
Odd, considering he was forced to overrule it.

Agreed that ours looked more of a penalty than theirs, but that may be because there was a much better view of ours.

Wasn’t Cooper’s passive aggressive rant against Taylor because Taylor initially missed there being a possibility of a penalty altogether until VAR stepped in? At least that is my understanding of events - Taylor missed the foul in open play which gave Cooper grounds to say it was a very soft pen …so there wasn’t exactly an overrule rather a case of VAR stepping in telling him to go to the monitor to look at a missed penalty?

Cooper 'really disappointed' by penalty decisions

Nottingham Forest manager Steve Cooper questions some of referee Anthony Taylor's decision making after his side's 3-2 defeat by 10-man Brighton at the City Ground.

www.bbc.co.uk

I mean it doesn’t matter in the bigger scheme of things - I agree with you and think Brighton fans/players had more cause dissent against their pen than they had to dissent against ours and not just because we are us and they are them as some posters have been suggesting.

 

[Beanstalk]

It is, of course, possible that a player telling a referee that he's a complete bellend straight to his face is actually a fairly rare occurence

Now I'm not an expert lip reader but I'm fairly sure I saw Youri Tielemans call Rob Jones "f***ing shit" yesterday to his face. I genuinely can't see the difference unless bald is now the offensive word we all should refrain from saying.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Just another example of inconsistency. Every week there are similar incidents treated completely differently

Ashley Young yesterday. - on a booking already trips Martial in the box as he’s going through on goal. Clear penalty and clear yellow card. Brooks books Martial for diving
VAR overturns it - pen awarded.
No yellow card because they felt the tackle wasn’t dangerous apparently

Young then calls John Brooks a F**k*n* T*at.
(I suppose he didn’t get a second yellow as he was just stating facts?)

Maybe the F word is deemed slightly less offensive than the C word.

but I can remember rugby at school nearly 60 years ago (hated it) - any arguing with the referee and you’re sent off.
maybe football should do the same. And it is the inconsistency that jars!