[Politics] Brexit

[ATFC Seagull]

Anyone in the know able to explain how these queues work regarding entry points?

We're on a 9.30am ferry next Weds. As I am driving all the way to the German border after disembarking, I don't fancy leaving at 3am to get there and queue. If I was to bite the bullet and stay on the outskirts of Dover the night before, would I be able to drive straight into the ferry port in Dover and skip any queues going up the A20/M20? Or do you *have* to queue up that way?

Hoping it won't be too bad on a Weds morning a few weeks into the holidays.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Anyone in the know able to explain how these queues work regarding entry points?

We're on a 9.30am ferry next Weds. As I am driving all the way to the German border after disembarking, I don't fancy leaving at 3am to get there and queue. If I was to bite the bullet and stay on the outskirts of Dover the night before, would I be able to drive straight into the ferry port in Dover and skip any queues going up the A20/M20? Or do you *have* to queue up that way?

Hoping it won't be too bad on a Weds morning a few weeks into the holidays.

It sounds like midweek may be better, and the questions you ask are sensible, but I am afraid I have absolutely no idea whatsoever

But I'm guessing more importantly to you, as has become evident this past weekend, neither have the Government or Customs Authorities.

So all I can do is to wish you 'bonne chance mon ami'

Similar request https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?395532-Dover-Advice

 

[Lever]

Nil desperandum, mon ami, I'm sure that our French colleagues will have picked up their socks and got their canards in a row by then.

Yet more clumsy irony? You are beginning to give acerbic wit a bad name!

 

[Is it PotG?]

You are beginning to give acerbic wit a bad name!

Wit a wot?

 

[The Clamp]

This is what having no freedom of movement looks like.

Rather odd that the Brexity, anti “illegal” immigration types are insisting the French simply wave us through. Why? Procedures must be followed for countries to control their borders. It’s what some people have been wetting their knickers about for years. Now that the same rules apply to us Brits, they are supposed to ride roughshod over border controls? Why should they?

“The French must do more to stop illegal crossings. It’s all the French’s fault, they don’t police their borders properly”!

How deliciously ironic.

The sad thing is…you voted for it

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

It sounds like midweek may be better, and the questions you ask are sensible, but I am afraid I have absolutely no idea whatsoever

But I'm guessing more importantly to you, as has become evident this past weekend, neither have the Government or Customs Authorities.

So all I can do is to wish you 'bonne chance mon ami'

Similar request https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?395532-Dover-Advice

No idea whatsoever

Guessing

Yeah,sounds like you

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Dodgy? Moi? They were searching all similar vehicles where there was scope for people hiding.

Mrs DiS turned off the Nick Ferrari show on LBC this morning (she can’t stand him anyway) because again it was ALL about blaming the French. Liz Truss is being continuously confrontational and combative about it as well. Why can’t we just sit down with them and start - OK, this has been a bit of a disaster, hasn’t it. What do we need to do to make it better next time. Sitting down and talking about it is always going to be better than shouting at people across the channel.

I agree on sitting down with them, but I think it goes far wider than a bit of tit for tat, that needs sorting out, could millwall and West ham supporters sit around the table and sort things out over 10 pints of stellar
Not sure there will every be much movement on either side.

 

[Lever]

Wit a wot?

I can find you a link that will explain it to you.

No one else can understand it for you.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No idea whatsoever

Guessing

Yeah,sounds like you

Well since you're actually posting on the 'Chaos at Dover' thread, I'm sure you'd like to explain the reasons for the chaos

 

[Eric the meek]

Just seen tonight's news, prepare for more of this at Dover throughout the Summer Holidays with increasing volumes. Apparently this last weekend's chaos was caused by volumes of traffic still lower than the pre-pandemic levels for the same week of the year. All in hand then

Don't you come on here with your project fear. You lost. Get over it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If Dacre can just keep it up for a couple more weeks his peerage will be secured

Who? Lord Dacre?

 

[Eric the meek]

This is what having no freedom of movement looks like.

Rather odd that the Brexity, anti “illegal” immigration types are insisting the French simply wave us through. Why? Procedures must be followed for countries to control their borders. It’s what some people have been wetting their knickers about for years. Now that the same rules apply to us Brits, they are supposed to ride roughshod over border controls? Why should they?

“The French must do more to stop illegal crossings. It’s all the French’s fault, they don’t police their borders properly”!

How deliciously ironic.

The sad thing is…you voted for it

Oh, I like that one! That was exceptionally good.

Of course, Brexiteers don't do irony, so it will sail straight over their heads.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I agree on sitting down with them, but I think it goes far wider than a bit of tit for tat, that needs sorting out, could millwall and West ham supporters sit around the table and sort things out over 10 pints of stellar
Not sure there will every be much movement on either side.

If you mean we will never resolve the border chaos now we have left the EU....I disagree. We will simply have to resolve it.

I disagree with your Millwall supporters and West Ham supporters analogy. It is more like Millwall supporters and the police. We are the Millwall supporters (who triggered the current stringent border arrangements). Eventually we will have to resolve the border issue by, for example, not allowing the sale of any more than a certain number of bookings for ferry passengers/lorries in any day. This will mean that cars and lorries will need to book their travel via a centrally monitored system, in advance. Simple!

Those who said it would be harder to travel to the EU after Brexit were not entirely right. It will be much harder to travel during peak times. Unfortunately travel to the EU is not an activity that was ever likely to benefit from Brexit (which had a strong 'tighter borders' element, which means checks).

Luckily so few of us travel to the EU, or buy or sell goods to the EU, it doesn't really matter.

Feel free to contradict any of my points. I chose to not book any cross channel excursions once we left the EU owing to an anxiety, no doubt irrational, that travel to the EU would be affected by Brexit, so I have no first hand experience of what looks on the news to be chaos, meaning it may all be simply hysterical reporting by the biased news media.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Oh, I like that one! That was exceptionally good.

Of course, Brexiteers don't do irony, so it will sail straight over their heads.

That's my last post f'cked then

 

[Hugo Rune]

So ‘project fear’ was actually ‘project reality’ and the ‘experts’ that the leavers had had enough of were actually right!

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...es-dover-boris-johnson-tory-leadership-brexit


Yet the lying continues unabated.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/channel-delays-boris-johnson-brexit-b2130558.html?amp

 

[Eric the meek]

That's my last post f'cked then

Them's the breaks!

P.S. I've lost my emojis. No, that's not a euphemism. I really have lost them. They don't work any more.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

This is what having no freedom of movement looks like.

Rather odd that the Brexity, anti “illegal” immigration types are insisting the French simply wave us through. Why? Procedures must be followed for countries to control their borders. It’s what some people have been wetting their knickers about for years. Now that the same rules apply to us Brits, they are supposed to ride roughshod over border controls? Why should they?

“The French must do more to stop illegal crossings. It’s all the French’s fault, they don’t police their borders properly”!

How deliciously ironic.

The sad thing is…you voted for it

Whatever your views on Brexit, surely it's in France's interest to sort this as well? (from a tourism point of view I mean, trade is a different story). Portugal for instance have let UK passport holders use the e-gates recognising the amount people from the UK do their bollocks over there and prior to brexit were encouraging the well off pensioners to pitch up. After all,we don't have to holiday in France and I can't imagine there are many people rebooking the same trip for next year.

From a personal point of view I vowed never to drive to France during the school holidays via Dover long before brexit became a thing. It's always been a total nightmare.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Them's the breaks!

P.S. I've lost my emojis. No, that's not a euphemism. I really have lost them. They don't work any more.

Brexit, innit?

 

[Mr Putdown]

I found this a depressing watch.

https://www.facebook.com/rejointhee...d-by-donkeys-have-turned-up/1188970781676902/

 

[The Clamp]

Whatever your views on Brexit, surely it's in France's interest to sort this as well? (from a tourism point of view I mean, trade is a different story). Portugal for instance have let UK passport holders use the e-gates recognising the amount people from the UK do their bollocks over there and prior to brexit were encouraging the well off pensioners to pitch up. After all,we don't have to holiday in France and I can't imagine there are many people rebooking the same trip for next year.

From a personal point of view I vowed never to drive to France during the school holidays via Dover long before brexit became a thing. It's always been a total nightmare.

France have sorted it. They are adhering to the rules and regulations. The rules and regs some of us voted for.