UKIP Foster Parents

[Westdene Seagull]

Indeed!

Good, I'm glad us right winger racist nutters are able to agree. I'm off to thump a Guardian reading, sandal wearing, Muesli eating, Green voting leftie in an attempt to knock some sense into them !

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Right here is the lady causing a lot of stir, re this fostering case.
Here she is in this article.
"Joyce Thacker, the strategic director of the children and young people's services directorate at Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council, has a vast amount of experience in dealing with sexual exploitation of young people"

Now don't you think she should be causing trouble here, instead of targeting foster parents who's only misdemeanor to date, seems to be that they are members of a RECOGNISED political party.
Read On.
Gangs, Girls and Grooming: The Truth | Standpoint

Read the link,but why on earth would she want to open a 'can of worms' after all she might upset someone ?

 

[Nibble]

I love the fact that UKIP have, because of one dodgy incident where they may have been able to look good, stuck their heads above the parapit and in doing so have been well and truly shown up as the bigoted half-wits they are. Super, keep going UKIP, you're doing a blinding job. Haha.

Ukip byelection candidate calls gay adoption 'child abuse' | Politics | The Guardian

 

[BadFish]

So 12.5% (or 1 in 8) of the UK population are foreign born? At what level will the working class be able to challenge this rate without being held out as bigots?

That 12.5% does not tell the full picture either as I suspect it represents a higher rate in the working age demographic.........perhaps its 1 in 6 or even 1 in 5? Further how does it look across the skilled/unskilled constituencies, its probably even highter?

This position (if accurate) was never part of any UK political party's manifesto, least of all the Labour Party. Over the last few years they never once said to the electorate that one of the benefits of being in the EU would be that 1 in 8 of the population would be foreign born........doesn't sound like a vote winner amongst their core vote does it?

They went ahead with such a policy anyway, ignored their 2005 manifesto pledge (page 78 I think) for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and fully opened up the UK's labour markets. No doubt this was to the delight of their new friends in big business who could use over supply to increase profits at the expense of wages and the bougoise could benefit from cheap plumbers.

Even that old fascist right wing knobhead Billy Bragg recognises the sell out by Labour, when he stated (from one of your kindly provided links) in his critique "Labour is already too Blue":

"Capitalism's most recent leap forward, globalisation, has once again left us at the mercy of the markets. The power of the nation state to govern its own economic affairs has been put into question by multinational conglomerates with no loyalty to any country or continent. Successive governments, deregulating the labour market in the hope of attracting investment, have created an atmosphere of insecurity among a native workforce that has seen their jobs disappear overseas to as employers seek ever-higher profit margins with no regard to the social consequences.
The past two decades have also witnessed greater numbers of immigrants coming to Britain in search of work and better living conditions for their families. Those who oppose immigration complain that nobody voted for a huge influx of foreigners without recognising that the mass movement of cheap labour is a key aspect of globalisation."

The following coment being telling too:

"Of course, the very notion that the policies of successive free-market Labour and Conservative governments may in fact be largely to blame for much of the current reliance on migrant labour isn't something which politicians and the media will readily discuss."

The couple this thread is about are from Rotherham and were Labour Party supporters. I suspect (I dont know) that they would have been aligned to the old Labour Party and Union positions that would have secured the UK labour market from the damage of pan european free market Thatcherist capitalist ideology. Ironically this is the same protection you are enjoying in Australia under a Labour Govt there. It is a shame for many old school socialists in the UK but the only political party that offers this socialist option is UKIP. But then they are the only party offering any coherent policy against that of the establishment.

Your atitude is symptomatic of this puerile reactionary counter argument that anyone who says anything against what the european montarist establishment wants is a right wing bigot. There's no consideration or pragmatism taken on people's deeply held political views just shrill hysterical bullshit.

It is this absurd mental gymnastics that has concluded that a couple willing to foster 3 children from the EU represent some kind of "danger" to the children because they support UKIP. You really are part of the problem.

you and the labour party really need to get a

No, the attitude you are assuming is mine because it allows you to into you anti labour rants and is easier than actually reading what I am saying is possible symptomatic of your political psychobabble.

I love the fact that after a few statistics on immigration which clearly demonstrate that most opinion on the subject is based on misinformation and hysteria you accuse me of "shrill hysterical bullshit".

If you are the solution then I am pleased to be part of the problem.

I also note with interest that you have chosen not to reciprocate my apology for childish insults and have chosen to ignore to my comments about your 'hilarious' austism gag. To me this speaks volumes.

This coupled with the fact that I have the same point at least three times and you have spectacularly managed miss it means I will bow out of our 'discussion'. Not sure if you're misreading what i say deliberately because you find it easier to argue about the labour party and it's ills (also not sure if you believe I am a labour supporter or not but for the record I agree entirely with your quote from Billy Bragg) or because you struggle to comprehend the written word. either way i am done.

 

[BadFish]

I love the fact that UKIP have, because of one dodgy incident where they may have been able to look good, stuck their heads above the parapit and in doing so have been well and truly shown up as the bigoted half-wits they are. Super, keep going UKIP, you're doing a blinding job. Haha.

Ukip byelection candidate calls gay adoption 'child abuse' | Politics | The Guardian

McKenzie was also quoted by the Metro newspaper as claiming that placing children with gay or lesbian couples was "child abuse". "To say to a child, 'I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don't worry about it' – that is abuse. It is a violation of a child's human rights because that child has no opportunity to grow up under normal circumstances,"

This part will silence all the opponents who suggest their party is based on bigotry and hatred. Nice work UKIP certainly managed to quickly lose the moral high ground they were so enjoying.

 

[Nibble]

McKenzie was also quoted by the Metro newspaper as claiming that placing children with gay or lesbian couples was "child abuse". "To say to a child, 'I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don't worry about it' – that is abuse. It is a violation of a child's human rights because that child has no opportunity to grow up under normal circumstances,"

This part will silence all the opponents who suggest their party is based on bigotry and hatred. Nice work UKIP certainly managed to quickly lose the moral high ground they were so enjoying.

Quite. I notice Bushy at al aren't so quick to stick their oar in on this matter.

 

[Nibble]

I think perhaps the pro-ukip lot on here have failed to do much research, either that or they are bigots themselves. Here's this telling piece from none other than the co-founder of UKIP...


UKIP founder Alan Sked says the party is 'morally dodgy' and 'extraordinarily right-wing'
DateMonday, November 26, 2012

David Cameron has been under fire for dismissing the UK Independence Party (Ukip) as a party of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", in a now-notorious radio interview in 2006.

However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter – the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."

"They're not an intellectually serious party. Their views on immigrants and on [banning] the burqa are morally dodgy."

Sked, who led the party between 1993 and 1997, before quitting and resigning his membership, said it was a Ukip peer who invited Dutch politician Geert Wilders to the UK to screen his anti-Islam film Fitna in October 2009.

In recent years, several Ukip politicians and candidates have been caught out making both anti-Islam and anti-Muslim remarks: former party leader Lord Pearson claimed Muslims were "breeding ten times faster than us"; one Ukip parliamentary candidate denounced "Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law" and another described Islam as "morally flawed and degenerate" and endorsed Wilders' view of Islam as a "retarded ideology".

 

[BadFish]

Quite. I notice Bushy at al aren't so quick to stick their oar in on this matter.

You would assume there computers are broken or something otherwise they might have commented on the fact that the fantastic immigration systems of Canada and Australia have facilitated a higher % of the population being foreign born. The only other reason might be that is is easier to just ignore what goes against your argument than address it.

 

[BadFish]

I think perhaps the pro-ukip lot on here have failed to do much research, either that or they are bigots themselves. Here's this telling piece from none other than the co-founder of UKIP...


UKIP founder Alan Sked says the party is 'morally dodgy' and 'extraordinarily right-wing'
DateMonday, November 26, 2012

David Cameron has been under fire for dismissing the UK Independence Party (Ukip) as a party of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", in a now-notorious radio interview in 2006.

However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter – the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."

"They're not an intellectually serious party. Their views on immigrants and on [banning] the burqa are morally dodgy."

Sked, who led the party between 1993 and 1997, before quitting and resigning his membership, said it was a Ukip peer who invited Dutch politician Geert Wilders to the UK to screen his anti-Islam film Fitna in October 2009.

In recent years, several Ukip politicians and candidates have been caught out making both anti-Islam and anti-Muslim remarks: former party leader Lord Pearson claimed Muslims were "breeding ten times faster than us"; one Ukip parliamentary candidate denounced "Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law" and another described Islam as "morally flawed and degenerate" and endorsed Wilders' view of Islam as a "retarded ideology".

SO when the country is going to shit this party decided to blame the foreigners and immigrants? according to who?......... oh the founder of the party

 

[Nibble]

In all fairness I don't even know if Bushy supports UKIP so bit unfair of me to tar him with the same brush as the outright UKIP supporters on here. Most parties do have at least one or two outspoken bigots amongst them but few base their policy on such views and even fewer have their founder reject and denounce them for said bigotry. UKIP, according to some on here you are growing. I don't believe it's true but if it is it is more to do with the blindness of others than any clarity from you.

 

[BadFish]

In all fairness I don't even know if Bushy supports UKIP so bit unfair of me to tar him with the same brush as the outright UKIP supporters on here. Most parties do have at least one or two outspoken bigots amongst them but few base their policy on such views and even fewer have their founder reject and denounce them for said bigotry. UKIP, according to some on here you are growing. I don't believe it's true but if it is it is more to do with the blindness of others than any clarity from you.

That's handy because I have made no comment on whether the UKIP is growing or not. But I take your point.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I love the fact that UKIP have, because of one dodgy incident where they may have been able to look good, stuck their heads above the parapit and in doing so have been well and truly shown up as the bigoted half-wits they are. Super, keep going UKIP, you're doing a blinding job. Haha.

Ukip byelection candidate calls gay adoption 'child abuse' | Politics | The Guardian

That is the view of one person and certainly not something UKIP agrees with. It's just the paper dragging up as much dirt as they can. I think you will also find that many religions don't really agree with Gay Marriage or Gay people adopting, it's backward thinking in the year 2012. Agreed it's the wrong thing to say, but don't start thinking that all people who agree in UKIP's policies think the same way becuase they don't.

Did you read the whole article because at the bottom, "former member of the Labour party and the Liberal Democrats" proves what I said above. Not everyone thinks the same.

 

[User removed 4]

Quite. I notice Bushy at al aren't so quick to stick their oar in on this matter.

I'm more than happy to stick my oar in, its just that I've got a life and aren't on a chat forum at 8 o clock at night, I agree the term child abuse is over the top, but I back his stance completely, I do not agree at all with gay adoption.

 

[User removed 4]

You would assume there computers are broken or something otherwise they might have commented on the fact that the fantastic immigration systems of Canada and Australia have facilitated a higher % of the population being foreign born. The only other reason might be that is is easier to just ignore what goes against your argument than address it.

That may well be so, you also fail to mention that these countries immigration systems dont allow admission to pretty much any piece of dogshit that pitches up at an entry point with a hard luck story.

 

[daveinprague]

UKIP are a joke party, who want us to leave Europe, but would have no problem tying us to the USA. They also have a large number of disaffected BNP supporters voting for them, following the collapse of the BNP, and also an ex BNP member stood for them in the last election.
All the people on here claiming they are not racist, bigoted, twats KNOW that there is a HUGE perception that they are. You dont get that perception from 'lefty lies' about them. Bring this thread back after their next dismal failure to discuss it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Quite. I notice Bushy at al aren't so quick to stick their oar in on this matter.

That has more to do with the fact some of us were at a football match while little lonely you continued your sad little crusade against UKIP. Strange you put so much effort into commenting on a nothing party !

 

[BadFish]

That may well be so, you also fail to mention that these countries immigration systems dont allow admission to pretty much any piece of dogshit that pitches up at an entry point with a hard luck story.

Asylum seekers?

 

[User removed 4]

Asylum seekers?

Yeah, they all are , even the ones who've come through 15 f***ing countries and are hanging about in calais waiting to try and sneak into dover.

***** said in a tired jaundiced way, as sick to the back teeth with do gooders swallowing bullshit hardluck stories*****

 

[BadFish]

Yeah, they all are , even the ones who've come through 15 f***ing countries and are hanging about in calais waiting to try and sneak into dover.

***** said in a tired jaundiced way, as sick to the back teeth with do gooders swallowing bullshit hardluck stories*****

I will fit in another protest about how asylum seekers are treated in Australia (or islands near Australia) before Christmas. See I like being a do gooder and helping people who are desperate for help. I know you don't want to help people and that you would rather blame them for all your problems.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That may well be so, you also fail to mention that these countries immigration systems dont allow admission to pretty much any piece of dogshit that pitches up at an entry point with a hard luck story.

Just let this country countinue down the same path. When we have hundreds of people from the EU and outside the EU sleeping rough on our streets because there are not enough jobs, not enough homes, nobody can complain. That's what people voted for.

UKIP are being called every name under the sun, but the very thing people are supporting is the thing that has ruined Greece and the decent people in it.