Actually he is, as you state there will be certain conditions to his licence, I would assume not to contact the victim, not to give any press interviews, probably see his probation officer once a week and not to commit any other crimes other than that he will be free to do as he pleases.
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Ched Evans
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Actually he is, as you state there will be certain conditions to his licence, I would assume not to contact the victim, not to give any press interviews, probably see his probation officer once a week and not to commit any other crimes other than that he will be free to do as he pleases.
And to sign the sex offenders register, presumably.
Point remains, his sentence is not complete. He is still 'serving' the remaining part of it, but out (on license).
(Quite how he is eligible for release on license, having shown no contrition, is another argument entirely, and one for which I have no answer).
Yes. I dont have a problem with Evans trying to resume his career. It would be up to the club how they intergrated him into PR roles, I would imagine relatively slowly. I dont understand why it appears he is being singled out because of his profession. What is it you want him to do? Is it not ok for any person convicted of any crime once released from prison to try to rebuild their lives and working is a significant step in doing that.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Wouldn't really fit when he is appealing it though.
I obviously have NO idea what went on so won't even dare second guess, but if I felt I had been wronged I wouldn't apologise/show any contrition at all.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Yup, that's the way I see it too. This is not a legal issue, it is a moral one and with Jessica Ennis now saying she wants her name removed from the stand if they re-employ him, they should know how lots of people are going to react. I will be amazed if they give him a contract.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I've pretty much said that basically, only I think it should be down to the FA to set what relatively slowly means. Relatively slowly to me means no first team football until he is at least off license. While not in first team football, he should only be paid a development player salary. He should have to complete, lets call it 'training workshops', a number of hours / days grass roots work. This could be anything from helping at the local Rec. to helping with local coaches doing their FA badges, worthwhile stuff. I'm not saying this is further punishment, this is a reintroduction, a period of integration - I don't think it should be down to clubs to decide this.
In terms of your other point, if I was convicted of rape, I couldn't return to my profession, it would be over, done. I'd have to find another career, try to earn a living another way. Would I be singled out because of my profession, actually no, because like many other professions they would prevent a convicted member returning as well. You seem to believe everyone has a right to return to their previous jobs after a serious crime - many of us don't have that right. It is not singling out footballers at all. Perhaps football just needs to catch up with other professions.
Del Fenner
Because of Boxing Day
The problem that Ched Evans is facing is that to rebuild your life after a criminal conviction, you need first to come to terms with what has happened before you can then engage with how society is going to respond to you.
As he denies his guilt he is unable to come to terms with his conviction, and has two courses of action open to him.
One, admit his guilt, apologise to his victim and modify his future behaviour.
Two, launch a successful campaign to overturn his conviction.
Until he has followed one of these options he cannot begin to resume his career in football with any possibility of success.
As he denies his guilt he is unable to come to terms with his conviction, and has two courses of action open to him.
One, admit his guilt, apologise to his victim and modify his future behaviour.
Two, launch a successful campaign to overturn his conviction.
Until he has followed one of these options he cannot begin to resume his career in football with any possibility of success.
I don't have the energy to go over this yet again, but there is PLENTY in his actions that night that he can feel contrite / shameful about, even if he does still maintain he is innocent of rape.
drew
Drew
Are you sure the jury heard all the evidence or did they just hear what the court allowed. For example, as far as I'm aware, no evidence was presented to the jury relating to the character of the 'victim' because the defence weren't allowed to.
A bit of a cop out. He had sex with a stranger. Exactly what else, from what you know, do you consider was reprehensible.
read back through the thread from the start, if you care enough to bother. I'm not typing it all out again.
keaton
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- Nov 18, 2004
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They heard what the court allowed which is a lot more than you heard. They may decide in appeal they were wrong to exclude some evidence which casts doubt on the verdict. But at the moment they heard all the relevant evidence and decided he was guilty.
Professional Football is a bit different from working on a building site, or in Accounts or serving customers in a shop. Professional clubs are pillars of our society. Players whether they like it or not are role models. Youngsters look up to them. I would argue that their behaviour is extremely important. Obviously they are young men, so cant be expected to be angels and I wouldn't class having a drink pre game, having an affair etc as a problem - except maybe for the club itself. But where that "bad" behaviour becomes serious such as wife beating, killing people after drink driving, sexual offences then I think football clubs do need to show a greater responsibility. That this behaviour (past or present) is not part of what a Football Club, within its community considers fit and proper.
I think the message that should be sent out, is that Evans can resume his life in society (subject to certain restrictive professions - teaching etc) but his offence cannot allow him to be a role model or part of a pillar of society. I wouldnt expect that be part of Law, but I would expect Sheff Utd to consider it very carefully.
If I were in charge of Sheff Utd, I would have waited until his appeal had been heard. If his conviction is over turned, then as far as I am concerned he is as innocent of charges. But, if not then I wouldn't employ him for the reasons I give.
I think the message that should be sent out, is that Evans can resume his life in society (subject to certain restrictive professions - teaching etc) but his offence cannot allow him to be a role model or part of a pillar of society. I wouldnt expect that be part of Law, but I would expect Sheff Utd to consider it very carefully.
If I were in charge of Sheff Utd, I would have waited until his appeal had been heard. If his conviction is over turned, then as far as I am concerned he is as innocent of charges. But, if not then I wouldn't employ him for the reasons I give.
This is exactly where I'm at. Either admit his guilt or have the conviction overturned. There is no reason why society should "accommodate" him in the meantime, especially as he's only out of prison under license.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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Sadly though, football seems to think it lives in its own little bubble with its own moral code. Takes society to give it a good slap now and again to remind it that football is part of the wider world.
drew
Drew
So, as sad as I am, here are all your quotes and I can only assume you refer to the one immediately above. Take out the sex, then it would appear the only other thing you find reprehensible is a couple of his mates watching at the window. Bearing in mind the curtains were apparently subsequently drawn by someone on the inside then surely it is the mates outside that should apologise for that behaviour.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
Well-known member
Indeed. If he is standing by the stance that he didnt commit rape then I ask:
Should he apologise to his PARTNER for cheating on her? Absolutely.
Should he PUBLICLY have to apologise for cheating on his parter and publicly show remorse? No. Why should he? It's an issue for him and his partner to sort out.
drew
Drew
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Which is why Del Fenner makes such a good point...
Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Agree with that.
In fact, though for a different crime and in different circumstances, this is very much the situation snooker fixer Stephen Lee has wrestled with - so far unsuccessfully.
He has never admitted his guilt after being handed a long ban, even though privately his main beef seems to be others may have got away with it while he hasn't, which is clearly no defence.
He has appealed all the way up the line, with at least two QCs basically saying they thought he was lying.
So with no admission there has been no remorse, and with no mea culpa no real way back and almost certainly no book because a publisher would think long and hard about making allegations about others based on the say-so of a convicted cheat.
Good to see his supporters getting behind him on Twitter with some reasoned debate.
[MENTION=18269]RICK[/MENTION]ieLambert07: “Jessica Ennis-Hill is a stupid c***. Saying she will remove her name if Ched Evens [sic] is signed. I hope he rapes her"
@CoreyOC21: “Hope Ched Evans gets you you little slut.”
[MENTION=18269]RICK[/MENTION]ieLambert07: “Jessica Ennis-Hill is a stupid c***. Saying she will remove her name if Ched Evens [sic] is signed. I hope he rapes her"
@CoreyOC21: “Hope Ched Evans gets you you little slut.”