Ched Evans

Herr Tubthumper · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
In your opinion then, for the sake of argument assuming it wasn't rape, what else should he apologise for?

Are you serious?

Beach Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

JCL - the new kid in town said:
Only that in all the time you've been registered you've not really commented on anything however this thread has doubled your post count. As an aside you do know you can debate a point without slagging off the other side/party or are you a politician?

So what are you saying then? That just reiterates what you previously said. I have commented on plenty of things on here before. Please can you provide me with some examples of when I have 'sl%gg#d off' other people on this thread?

drew · Nov 13, 2014

Lower West Stander said:
That may very well be the case. But it is not apologising to the victim - even if he continues to deny rape he could still show remorse to her. Just saying "I shouldn't have behaved like that" may be good enough for his girlfriend but not for most people.

So, assuming she did consent to everything as he suggests, what does he really need to apologise to her? Sleeping with a stranger shortly after meeting! Not what a lot of people would do but hardly a crime.

Hillian1 · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
In your opinion then, for the sake of argument assuming it wasn't rape, what else should he apologise for?

You can assume whatever you please mate, I'll go on the decission of a Jury if that's ok with you.

drew · Nov 13, 2014

Herr Tubthumper said:
I read his appeal was being fast-tracked. Anyone know when we'll hear the outcome of this?

The case review is being fast tracked and that will determine if it goes to the Court of Appeal.

Herr Tubthumper · Nov 13, 2014

Hillian1 said:
You can assume whatever you please mate, I'll go on the decission of a Jury if that's ok with you.

Don't forget the appeals (two to date I think) as well.

drew · Nov 13, 2014

Hillian1 said:
You can assume whatever you please mate, I'll go on the decission of a Jury if that's ok with you.

Well done, totally ignoring the point of the debate then.

JCL - the new kid in town · Nov 13, 2014

Beach Seagull said:
So what are you saying then? That just reiterates what you previously said. I have commented on plenty of things on here before. Please can you provide me with some examples of when I have 'sl%gg#d off' other people on this thread?

Firstly your low post count shows you haven't commented on plenty of things but that is by the by. I didn't mean slagging off other people on the thread, I meant your derogatory comments about the victim. You can argue why you think he's innocent without resorting to that as doing so only weakens your argument.

Bold Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
Which doesn't get it right every time. a fact you have previously acknowledged but still continually ignore when it suits you.

Are you just trying to point score or something? I don't get what this is about. Just seems a slightly irrelevant pop at me using a post that was a reply in context to another post where no suggestion of 100% success was implied or otherwise. Just a bit weird really given all the other discussion points I've made on this thread, and you pick that out. As far as I can tell, it is just a factual statement.

Herr Tubthumper · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
The case review is being fast tracked and that will determine if it goes to the Court of Appeal.

Okay. When will we know the outcome of this initial review?

Hillian1 · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
Well done, totally ignoring the point of the debate then.

What, that conicted rapist Ched Evans shouldn't be allowed to play footabll again

drew · Nov 13, 2014

Herr Tubthumper said:
Don't forget the appeals (two to date I think) as well.

To be correct, he was refused the right to appeal and then that decision was upheld. The case hasn't actually gone to a court of appeal to be heard again. Well at least that is my understanding.

drew · Nov 13, 2014

Hillian1 said:
What, that conicted rapist Ched Evans shouldn't be allowed to play footabll again

Tremendous, can't spell and still ignoring the point.

Beach Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

JCL - the new kid in town said:
Firstly your low post count shows you haven't commented on plenty of things but that is by the by. I didn't mean slagging off other people on the thread, I meant your derogatory comments about the victim. You can argue why you think he's innocent without resorting to that as doing so only weakens your argument.

If its 'by the by' why bring it up in the first place? I have commented on plenty of threads on here in the past. You and the other guy / girl seem to be hinting at some sort of conspiracy between me and another poster on this thread but when challenged you are unable to provide me with an answer. Point taken about the derogatory comments about the 'victim' though.

Hillian1 · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
Tremendous, can't spell and still ignoring the point.

JCL - the new kid in town · Nov 13, 2014

Beach Seagull said:
If its 'by the by' why bring it up in the first place? I have commented on plenty of threads on here in the past. You and the other guy / girl seem to be hinting at some sort of conspiracy between me and another poster on this thread but when challenged you are unable to provide me with an answer. Point taken about the derogatory comments about the 'victim' though.

No conspiracy, I was only speaking tongue in cheek and I don't think the other poster was being entirely serious either.

Beach Seagull · Nov 13, 2014

JCL - the new kid in town said:
No conspiracy, I was only speaking tongue in cheek and I don't think the other poster was being entirely serious either.

Fair enough.

Lower West Stander · Nov 13, 2014

drew said:
So, assuming she did consent to everything as he suggests, what does he really need to apologise to her? Sleeping with a stranger shortly after meeting! Not what a lot of people would do but hardly a crime.

Your missing the point. Evans' behaviour since he was released from prison has adversely influenced public opinion against him. He is a convicted rapist who has refused to speak to the press and except a loaded tabloid style interview with his weepy girlfriend. For what is worth, yes, I think he should have apologised for his behaviour and expressed remorse for putting his victim through this ordeal - protesting innocence or not.

Hatterlovesbrighton · Nov 13, 2014

Lower West Stander said:
Your missing the point. Evans' behaviour since he was released from prison has adversely influenced public opinion against him. He is a convicted rapist who has refused to speak to the press and except a loaded tabloid style interview with his weepy girlfriend. For what is worth, yes, I think he should have apologised for his behaviour and expressed remorse for putting his victim through this ordeal - protesting innocence or not.

He's most probably under legal advice not to make any gesture that could be seen as admitting guilt, while he still has a legal case

Nick Clegg had the best advice really. He should go and play abroad, at least for a while.

Uncle C · Nov 13, 2014

nicko31 said:
Seems to be a real witch hunt against this guy, you'd be fooled into thinking he was the first footballer on the planet to serve time.

Luke McCormick killed 2 children and still plays for Plymouth today, surely far worse

Its all about contrition.

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