[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

Indeed, why should 48% of our population most of whom were born European Citizens be stripped of it, if they want to keep it why not?

If the leavers want to give up their EU Citizenship I have no objection

No-one should have ever been born a European citizen. At least not here in Britain. If they were, it was foisted upon them whether they wanted it or not. We do not, and neither does anyone else who is a European, belong to a country called Europe. This kind of thing has partly caused Brexit, no democratic accountability.

 

[yxee]

Yes, minimum wage is a safeguard and safety net. The problem is that excess supply of unskilled Labour drives wages for that sector, across the board, down to the minimum wage level. The obvious answer is to increase the minimum wage but with free movement from the EU that would likely attract more immigration and this has social and public service consequences. Those on minimum wage are not net contributors in taxation as they pay very little tax .

How is it a safety net ? There is no real minimum wage if you lose your job. That's the real safety net, and legislating a minimum wage only makes a larger hole in the real safety net.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

How is it a safety net ? There is no real minimum wage if you lose your job. That's the real safety net, and legislating a minimum wage only makes a larger hole in the real safety net.

It's a safety net for the low paid as it prevents capital from further increasing profit at the expense of the most vulnerable. Once we have left the EU I would like to see large increases in the minimum wage.

 

[yxee]

It's a safety net for the low paid as it prevents capital from further increasing profit at the expense of the most vulnerable. Once we have left the EU I would like to see large increases in the minimum wage.

It's a safety net for the low paid.... until the manager realises they have to lay someone off because their fixed budget can pay for fewer employees. So 4 in 5 get better off, and 1 loses everything. Economics in the real world where managers have budgets. Seems like a really good way to erode social equality to me.

I'd rather see more people employed, and some paid less if necessary, than some paid more and others fired. There's a whole lot of social value lost when someone's sitting at home doing nothing.

 

[JCL666]

No-one should have ever been born a European citizen. At least not here in Britain. If they were, it was foisted upon them whether they wanted it or not. We do not, and neither does anyone else who is a European, belong to a country called Europe. This kind of thing has partly caused Brexit, no democratic accountability.

I really don't understand this post.

 

[portslade seagull]

I really don't understand this post.

We're you born in England? THEN your English. .. Scotland then your Scottish and so on . Do you get it now or are you Denying you were ever born

 

[Two Professors]

There's no desire from any German political party to forego freedom of movement of labour though. If the EU sacrifices that to the UK, then other countries with whom they have agreements (such as Norway) will demand similar terms.

If the UK is willing to be flexible in terms of movement of labour there is the potential for a FTA with both EU and the likes of India. Even a major Brexiteer such as James Dyson, who accompanied May on the current trumpet tour of India, is keen to more relaxed migration terms, especially in respect of students, as it makes it easier for him to recruit talented STEM graduates.

Do you not consider AfD a German political party?

 

[Two Professors]

On reflection, I was a bit hasty with the Fawlty Towers analogy. Perhaps more like a Comedy of Errors with additional acts (and no, I'm not referring to Johnson & Truss)

(or Hammond)

(or Hunt)

(or Rudd)

A cultured person such as yourself surely realises the Comedy of Errors always has a happy ending-in this case,BREXIT!

 

[Two Professors]

I think most would've recognised that it was a humorous post.........

Aaaaah,I get it now-you're German.That explains everything.

 

[nicko31]

We're you born in England? THEN your English. .. Scotland then your Scottish and so on . Do you get it now or are you Denying you were ever born

If you were born in England you are British and European at least for now, that's what on your passport, if you have one

That said, some may soon reach utopia soon when we leave the EU and the Union falls apart, perhaps then you really could call yourself an English citizen

 

[Soulman]

If you were born in England you are British and European at least for now, that's what on your passport, if you have one

That said, some may soon reach utopia soon when we leave the EU and the Union falls apart, perhaps then you really could call yourself an English citizen

Er no, I was born in England and so i am English, i am British next, i have never been or felt European no matter what a piece of paper (my passport) states.
You can call yourself what you like, but can not decide for others.

 

[El Presidente]

Its the pressure that the car makers can exert on political parties that is key , as for STEM graduates, that is something this country should be concentrating on , rather than churning out theatre studies and travel and tourism graduates .

It's a supply and demand issue. Why don't our teenagers want to be mathematicians, scientists and engineers? There's the capacity in HE to teach them.

 

[El Presidente]

Does the recent trade agreement with Canada allow free movement between Canada and the EU?

No it doesn't. Equally it doesn't include financial services.

 

[Brighton Mod]

It's a safety net for the low paid as it prevents capital from further increasing profit at the expense of the most vulnerable. Once we have left the EU I would like to see large increases in the minimum wage.

I am sure that once the large amount of eastern european unskilled labour is not available on tap, after we leave the EU, wages will inevitably rise. Tony Blair et al knew exactly the outcome of allowing such an influx and it effected the working man the most.

 

[El Presidente]

If we stop importing from the EU, the EU will fall apart. Of course Europe doesn't want it to fall apart, and having a fair deal with the UK would stop it falling apart, so it makes sense for them to agree a fair deal.

Is there any evidence that 'we' will stop importing from the EU though?

If no FTA is in place when Brexit occurs then WTO arrangements will apply. All that will happen is that prices will rise and there will be more red tape, but it will be no worse than trading with the US, and we happily pay for iPhones.


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[Brighton Mod]

No it doesn't. Equally it doesn't include financial services.

Not equally, it does not allow free movement, so why do the remoaners continue to peddle the line that we won't be able to get a trade deal without free movement attached.
If there is no trade deal, do the politicians think that business will cease to trade, they have such a high opinion of themselves. No Whiskey on the tables in Brussels, it would be unthinkable.

 

[Triggaaar]

Is there any evidence that 'we' will stop importing from the EU though?

No, no trade at all won't happen. We can't accurately predict what would happen with imports though. If our economy his hit and people blame the EU, people won't be so keen to import from the EU, before even taking into account the price rises.

 

[studio150]

why do the remoaners continue to peddle the line that we won't be able to get a trade deal without free movement attached.
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Which Remain people have peddled this line?
All the discussion was about not being able to be in the single market without free movement, there has always been an acknowledgement that a trade deal could be signed without free movement, but this would likely include tariffs, whether WTO ones or agreed ones with the EU.

It shouldn't be overlooked that the Canadian deal took 7 years to agree and there are still a few items where tariffs apply.

 

[alfredmizen]

It's a supply and demand issue. Why don't our teenagers want to be mathematicians, scientists and engineers? There's the capacity in HE to teach them.

Actually I need to ask your advice here , would an A level in politics or Law be considered on a par with an A level in English Lit or English language? I.E. equally "academic" ? Forgive my ignorance but my son wants to drop English a level and do politics or law instead .

 

[Baldseagull]

The conventional wisdom seems to be that to be in the single market means free movement of people. Presumably those that wish to be in the single market would also be happy with a free trade agreement between the U.K. and the EU rather than membership of the single market ? This way there would be no strings attached with free movement. What am I missing ?

A free trade agreement is a bit of a misnomer, usually it means free trade on certain types of goods or services, reduced tarriffs on others. The big one that is likely to not be able to trade at all in the EU if we are out of the single market would be our financial services.