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[GT49er]

Look - an incel......

Don't know what 'incel' is. Is it something to do with self-pitying?

 

[Weststander]

Apparently I had this wrong, it’s per person… I really don’t get why a household with an income up to £70,000 should be getting fuel allowance, it makes no sense…

Ease of administration, no expensive means testing. And votes!

 

[zefarelly]

2.9m UK pensioners rent their home.
38% of pensioners don’t receive an occupational pension.

Millions of OAP’s didn’t luck out.

I can think of a fair few locally, who I don't know well, and some I do . . . Who sold up and spaffed the lot, lived the life of RIley . . . But didn't die doing it . . . . There's no law against it . . . I suppose that's 'redistribution of wealth'

 

[cjd]

While I'm happy to revise some of my preconceptions about others, you might consider revising some of yours

Harold, I have very good reasons for not rowing back on HT and also Watford Zero. I,ll never change my views on those two. Most times I just ignore them and let them carry on their mocking and insulting ways of arrogance.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

THis is the crux of it. We're ruled and led by Donkeys

No offence to DOnkeys.

I've given up on politics, theyre all ****s. This is a massive Daily Mail decision. Poorly considered, idiotically executed and f***ing spinelessly reversed. Thousands of greedy selfish pensioners will now be leeching funds from services that need it.

This country is morally corrupt . . . .much like most of the world at the moment.

It isn't so bad here.
But just wait till Nigel is in charge.

Labour has a tough ask running the country while jackasses like Nigel can have unlimited free potshots,
with the Mail, Sun and Express cheering on,
frothing at the mouth about Starmer.

Either Starmer manages to navigate the rapids, with rocks flung from his left and right,
or we will end up run by the same sort of goons that in the US send in the troops to round up brown and hispanic people.

Has Nigel called for arming the police yet?

I think we would be better employed cutting Starmer some slack for a couple of years,
rather than shitting the bed, and shouting Fie Upon England.

We are not finished. Yet.

 

[Bry Nylon]

No I wont "put an argument together for an average blah, blah, blah".

This comic book forum serves little or no purpose to any political ideology, no matter whether you are left or right. What offends me is the total ignorance of so many (predominantly the left ) of reality., who use this (supposedly .... football forum ) as a medium to spread their bile. The elderly do not deserve to be caught up in this here. This forum frequently posts what I consider 'hate' posts against the elderly who lets face it, often includes our own parents..until they are deceased and we the next generation take their place in the "to be hated" queue )

Shame on the Moderators ( Guinness Boy in particular) and to a lesser degree Bozza as well, who has allowed a Brighton and Hove Albion FOOTBALL Forum to sink so low.

So, you don’t like the content, you don’t like the culture, you don’t like the other contributors and you don’t like the moderation.

I’ll see if I can get The Thread Full of Beautiful Ladies (Part II) reinstated so there’s at least something on here you might like but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

 

[Gary1]

That is an excellent and predictable boomer response. Thank you for exemplifying my point.

Boomers (sitting in their mortgage free £500k-£1m houses with decent income from generous pensions) to young people (£100k student debt, renting for £1,200 per month, £36k graduate wages, £15k in their private pension pot at 30) - "sToP bEiNg So BiTtErR, sToP BlAmINg OtHeR PeOpLe, WoRk HaRdEr!!!!"

The trouble with your argument is that you are generalising everyone born between ‘46 & ‘64. Is it possible that you have a problem with someone you know who’s a “boomer” and you’re taking it out on all the others.

Anyway back to your point of £500K -£1M properties, my work involves me with hundreds of pensioners and I don’t know any that live in properties of that value. This is in Eastbourne which you could pretty much say has one of the highest property values in the country.

The problem here is it’s easy to make up a scenario in your head and attach it to everyone you “hate” but it doesn’t make it true.

 

[GT49er]

You think that it's a functioning society if poor young people are relying on their (if they're lucky) wealthy parents generosity or in most cases their DEATHS to prosper (again, if they're 'lucky' enough to still be young enough to make the most of it).

I'm not sure why you're trying to make this personal. My parents are boomers and are relatively wealthy - but I'm not relying or thinking about that, it's macabre. I prefer to generate my own wealth, thanks. As I'm sure most other young people do.

How about the young people without wealthy parents? How about the people whose parents wealth will be lost to elderly care? It's not a functional system to expect generational wealth to trickle down. It doesn't.

Hope your mum and dad leave their house and savings to charity. Even things up a bit, eh?

 

[Weststander]

I can think of a fair few locally, who I don't know well, and some I do . . . Who sold up and spaffed the lot, lived the life of RIley . . . But didn't die doing it . . . . There's no law against it . . . I suppose that's 'redistribution of wealth'

They’d rather see Tim Martin have it than their bratz.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Harold, I have very good reasons for not rowing back on HT and also Watford Zero. I,ll never change my views on those two. Most times I just ignore them and let them carry on their mocking and insulting ways of arrogance.

Well, that's up to you.
Personally I find them to be insightful. HT in particular is not someone whose politics I could confidently place.
But I'm happy to meet people half way. You have been a tad fierce today. I too, albeit I have apologized.

 

[Gary1]

Apparently I may have this wrong, and that it’s per person… if so, I really don’t get why a household with an income up to £70,000 should be getting fuel allowance, it makes no sense…

Mmmmm…….seems a bit convoluted and unclear at the moment depending on what you read and how you read it. Hopefully it becomes a bit clearer tomorrow.

 

[timbha]

Mmmmm…….seems a bit convoluted and unclear at the moment depending on what you read and how you read it. Hopefully it becomes a bit clearer tomorrow.

Similarly, how does it work for a 68 year old on a state pension (only) living with a 60 year old who earns over £35k pa?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ease of administration, no expensive means testing. And votes!

In seriousness, as soon as means testing comes in there is an admin cost.

This is one reason why I favour a flat % of income tax (which is incremental in £ according to income), with some adjustments at the bottom end, mostly increasing the minimum wage....

But apparently according to those on the left of me, that's not progressive and is therefore wrong, and therefore our complicated tiered, easily gamed and expensive to curate system should prevail.

At the end of the day the people get the governments they deserve....

 

[maffew]

35k income is simply too high IMO for a property owner to be receiving a wfa, that's not really means testing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Similarly, how does it work for a 68 year old on a state pension (only) living with a 60 year old who earns over £35k pa?

As I understand it, the 68 year old gets £200. The working 60 yr old gets nothing as the WFA is paid to the household.
When the 60 year old retires, and income drops, they get £100 each.

 

[Gary1]

Similarly, how does it work for a 68 year old on a state pension (only) living with a 60 year old who earns over £35k pa?

Good point……as I say hopefully tomorrow it’ll start to become a bit clearer. At the moment it seems as if the media are reporting it wildly as they’re more interested in getting the point across of a massive U Turn by the sitting government!!

 

[Gary1]

35k income is simply too high IMO for a property owner to be receiving a wfa, that's not really means testing.

The problem is at what figure do you set it. If they’d done it at £25K then some would have said it’s too high.
Apparently it’s set at £35K as that is the average income in this country, but I don’t know whether that is the correct average income or not.

 

[timbha]

As I understand it, the 68 year old gets £200. The working 60 yr old gets nothing as the WFA is paid to the household.
When the 60 year old retires, and income drops, they get £100 each.

Thanks. Hopefully find out tomorrow.

To exaggerate my example, how about a 68 year old on a state pension living with a 60 year old who is earning £150k pa ?? (If only!!)!

 

[Moin]

The boomer generation (born between ~1946 and ~1964) are notorious amongst young people today for being selfish and self-entitled.

They had what are now 'luxuries' such as affordable housing, free higher education, decent pensions and competitive wages... yet they are the first to argue, sitting in their mortgage free houses, that even the 'triple-lock' pension is not enough - they still want more, neglecting to appreciate how dire things are for young people today.

Young people today, having to try to save the planet that the boomers have effectively destroyed, while being unable to afford houses to live in, or to start families they can't afford. Crap wages, astronomical student debt, pathetic pensions and so on.

Yet boomers NEVER accept how lucky they had it and how they continue to deprive the young people of today from living any kind of life that they did. This is why young people regard boomers are selfish and self-entitled.

If they had any kind of decency, they would surrender their wealth and give young people a real chance in life.

The biggest tragedy of all is that when the reality of what they have done to this world and to the generations of young people today comes into fruition - they'll all be dead and not around to see it.

I don't regard myself as selfish and entitled, and I know my family and friends wouldn't describe me like that either, but dignity prevents me from trying to illustrate that. There are certainly older individuals -- probably quite a few -- who could be called those things, just as there are plenty of younger people around who also deserve that label. But entire generations, whether old or young, can't be dismissed like that, and don't deserve to be.

You seem to see the world and your life in massive generalisations. Old people are all X while young people are all Y. If you described gay or black or disabled people, or women, in that way, you'd be (rightly) criticised but ageism seems to be the last acceptable prejudice.

I grew up in a totally different era when different standards prevailed. Some better, some worse. When I was a kid, homosexuality was illegal, class and social mobility were almost zero, sexism and racism were openly celebrated on primetime TV, almost no one I knew had ever travelled out of the country, many people couldn't afford a car or a telephone. On the other hand, the one massive advantage I had that I'm very aware of was free university education and maintenance grants. IMO those things should never have been abolished but to somehow blame me or an entire generation for that is ignorant and childish. Politicians and educational institutions made those decisions, not some great council of oldies who got together in their millions to wave their pitchforks at young people.

Funnily enough, I also grew up thinking that other people, usually older, were luckier than me. Other people always seemed to have more money, better jobs and cars and relationships than me. It wasn't until my thirties that I finally realised that I had agency over my own existence and happiness, and that as long as I was able-bodied and reasonably rational then it was up to me, and up to us as individuals, to create our own paths through life. I found that learning not to blame other people for my own situation was very liberating.

 

[BenGarfield]

Always happy to keep you entertained.
And I admire your eyesight; your ability to see us tiny mortals from aloft Mount Olympus.

Indeed, but it saddens me to see you mortals making a pigs ear of it all.