Who is getting your vote in Euro Elections?

[sullyupthewing]

sullyupthewing we were talking about the political history of some of the UKIP candidates, I think some of these are shown a little further up the page.

Searchlight, Facist Bastards.

 

[Gully]

Sadly I have lost my vote due to a mixture of oversight, moving from one country to another and my proxy vote moving at the same time. This will be the first election since I turned 18 that I haven't voted, and that includes local council elections and the European ones.

Last night a bloke from the local Tories came round canvassing for votes, he first told me that they intended to keep the council tax rises fixed at three percent for three years, didn't believe him on that one. His next gambit, possibly having spotted my nice shiny car parked outside the house was to mention that they wanted to get rid of all the speed humps in the city, he was totally knocked off guard when I told him that traffic calming was a good idea, particularly in the street where I live and it is 20 mph, I told him that the speed limits should be more strictly enforced in the city, particularly the residential areas. I have to admit that I hate speed bumps, but there are other ways to slow down traffic and make the roads safer in towns, what may have swayed me was seeing the local ambulance service in the process of scraping some poor pedestrian off the road on my way home.

If I were voting this time it would be for the Lib Dems.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Tories clutching at straws as per normal.

 

[Rougvie]

Anyone who is prepared to stop pikey Romanian/Kosovan/Ukranian scumbags taking over our city

 

[chips and gravy]

I'm most interested in the number of people that have said they would vote Green. In the Euro elections that is what I now vote since the system used means that I will actually get some green representation.

I know that the Greens have had a bad press in Brighton but Dr Caroline Lucas has actually done a lot of good things as MEP and I think she deserves to be re-elected.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The following is taken from the web archive of anti-fascist magazine "Searchlight" and referes to the 2001 General Election.


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The UKIP has swung to the right in the past two years, largely because its more moderate supporters who were attracted to the party during John Major’s leadership have returned to the Conservative Party under Hague. The UKIP now represents a hard right grouping, attracting disaffected Tory voters in the same way the BNP is gaining from working class Labour voters.

Oh the wonders of the internet for finding old and out of date information - you might as well have posted something about the Albion being in trouble after 10 straight defeats in Div 1, it would be just as applicable.

It's all well and good posting one article but you seem to have failed to mention the party purge of the NEC in 2002 with the expulsion of many extremists and with many moderates joining ( Patrick Moore and Edward Fox to name but two ).

Yes, I agree the UKIP had a problem with far right candidates and members but it was dealt with - there may still be some but they in in the minority. In much the same way as Communists are in the minority in the Labour Party but they are still there.

 

[Dandyman]

Oh the wonders of the internet for finding old and out of date information - you might as well have posted something about the Albion being in trouble after 10 straight defeats in Div 1, it would be just as applicable.

It's all well and good posting one article but you seem to have failed to mention the party purge of the NEC in 2002 with the expulsion of many extremists and with many moderates joining ( Patrick Moore and Edward Fox to name but two ).

Yes, I agree the UKIP had a problem with far right candidates and members but it was dealt with - there may still be some but they in in the minority. In much the same way as Communists are in the minority in the Labour Party but they are still there.

I have also had a look at the UKIP website for the 2004 Elections and noted in particular their "5 Freedoms" which include the following:

"3. Freedom from Overcrowding...The UK Independence Party will put an end to mass immigration (sic).

5.Freedom from Political Correctness..(UKIP) would restructure the law to ensure free speach once again came to mean that..."

Both points are of course in code but the message is, IMO, quite clear. There is no mass immigration to the UK the message here is clearly xenophobic "little England" bollocks. As for freedom from political correctness I presume this is a call for a return to the "good old days" when calling people "niggers" or "kikes" was acceptable ?

 

[looney]

At least the BNP are 'forward' about their views, unlike other parties, as clearly discussed by Dandyman.

Think I'll be voting for the Liberal Democrats. They are pro-Europe and pro-€, without trying to sound favourable to the public who are unsure about our place in Europe

sorry but what Dandyman posted did not add up to much other than a smear campaign.

1 All parties have unsavoury types or some with History. Let me see, Jack Straw was involved in criminal activities as a student breaking into University offices as a student at Warick. Then theirs george Gallaway.


Should Labour be judged on the policies of one and the History of the other?

A party that is single issue along the lines of nationhood WILL attract those types, but it does not follow that they are representative and will "pull the mask off when in power".

I have also had a look at the UKIP website for the 2004 Elections and noted in particular their "5 Freedoms" which include the following:

"3. Freedom from Overcrowding...The UK Independence Party will put an end to mass immigration (sic).

5.Freedom from Political Correctness..(UKIP) would restructure the law to ensure free speach once again came to mean that..."

Both points are of course in code but the message is, IMO, quite clear. There is no mass immigration to the UK the message here is clearly xenophobic "little England" bollocks. As for freedom from political correctness I presume this is a call for a return to the "good old days" when calling people "niggers" or "kikes" was acceptable ?

There in code? Well nice of you to "interprett" them for us .

Maybe freedom from political corectness means ending "positive" discrimination, a major BNP campaigning tool. As for free speach that may mean preventing people being smeared as racists fo opposing exstreme leftwing policies like unmanaged/open door immigration.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

sorry but what Dandyman posted did not add up to much other than a smear campaign.

1 All parties have unsavoury types or some with History. Let me see, Jack Straw was involved in criminal activities as a student breaking into University offices as a student at Warick. Then theirs george Gallaway.


Should Labour be judged on the policies of one and the History of the other?

A party that is single issue along the lines of nationhood WILL attract those types, but it does not follow that they are representative and will "pull the mask off when in power".

I have also had a look at the UKIP website for the 2004 Elections and noted in particular their "5 Freedoms" which include the following:

"3. Freedom from Overcrowding...The UK Independence Party will put an end to mass immigration (sic).

5.Freedom from Political Correctness..(UKIP) would restructure the law to ensure free speach once again came to mean that..."

Both points are of course in code but the message is, IMO, quite clear. There is no mass immigration to the UK the message here is clearly xenophobic "little England" bollocks. As for freedom from political correctness I presume this is a call for a return to the "good old days" when calling people "niggers" or "kikes" was acceptable ?

There in code? Well nice of you to "interprett" them for us .

Maybe freedom from political corectness means ending "positive" discrimination, a major BNP campaigning tool. As for free speach that may mean preventing people being smeared as racists fo opposing exstreme leftwing policies like unmanaged/open door immigration.

 

[Dandyman]

sorry but what Dandyman posted did not add up to much other than a smear campaign.

1 All parties have unsavoury types or some with History. Let me see, Jack Straw was involved in criminal activities as a student breaking into University offices as a student at Warick. Then theirs george Gallaway.


Should Labour be judged on the policies of one and the History of the other?

A party that is single issue along the lines of nationhood WILL attract those types, but it does not follow that they are representative and will "pull the mask off when in power".

I have also had a look at the UKIP website for the 2004 Elections and noted in particular their "5 Freedoms" which include the following:

"3. Freedom from Overcrowding...The UK Independence Party will put an end to mass immigration (sic).

5.Freedom from Political Correctness..(UKIP) would restructure the law to ensure free speach once again came to mean that..."

Both points are of course in code but the message is, IMO, quite clear. There is no mass immigration to the UK the message here is clearly xenophobic "little England" bollocks. As for freedom from political correctness I presume this is a call for a return to the "good old days" when calling people "niggers" or "kikes" was acceptable ?

There in code? Well nice of you to "interprett" them for us .

Maybe freedom from political corectness means ending "positive" discrimination, a major BNP campaigning tool. As for free speach that may mean preventing people being smeared as racists fo opposing exstreme leftwing policies like unmanaged/open door immigration.

If it is a smear then detail any errors in the "Searchlight" article.

If you had any familiarity with employment law in the UK you would know that "positive discrimination" is illegal.

The UK has had immigration controls since 1905 and ended any "open door" for Commonwealth citizens in the 1960's.

And just for the record I think Jack Straw is a reactionary authoritarian wanker. I suprised the UKIP don't have him as a pin up.

 

[fatbadger]

Jack Straw is a reactionary authoritarian wanker.

Too true, too true.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If it is a smear then detail any errors in the "Searchlight" article.

Already have - it's out of date

If you had any familiarity with employment law in the UK you would know that "positive discrimination" is illegal.

All women selection lists in elections are positive discrimination - there are plenty of other examples that aren't tied to employment law.

The UK has had immigration controls since 1905 and ended any "open door" for Commonwealth citizens in the 1960's.

It doesn't prevent EU citizens from flooding here.

And just for the record I think Jack Straw is a reactionary authoritarian wanker. Agreed

 

[looney]

If it is a smear then detail any errors in the "Searchlight" article.

If you had any familiarity with employment law in the UK you would know that "positive discrimination" is illegal.

The UK has had immigration controls since 1905 and ended any "open door" for Commonwealth citizens in the 1960's.

And just for the record I think Jack Straw is a reactionary authoritarian wanker. I suprised the UKIP don't have him as a pin up.

1 A smear is when you attack individuals rather than address the issues, THEN try to apply behaviour that is propagated by a few to party policy.

2 Positive Discrimination is leagal in all women short lists. The left has bypassed the law by setting "targets". They (labour) would know that they would get politically hammered if they tried to bring it in, hence subtafuge. How democratic!

The UK has had immigration controls since 1905 and ended any "open door" for Commonwealth citizens in the 1960's.

As I said above, if you dont like a law you can scrap it or ignore it then feed the population BS. As labour have been found out doing.


True they are beginning to get a grip with Asylum as loads of INDEPENDENT bodies have been screaming for the last few years about the potential catastrophy of their approach, social unrest/ BNP on the march.

 

[fatbadger]

Greens - very pro EU

If you think this, you clearly need to be reading this:


policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/europe.html

Part 8 is the section on UK membership of the EU.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If you think this, you clearly need to be reading this:


policy.greenparty.org.uk/mfss/europe.html

Part 8 is the section on UK membership of the EU.

Fair point - I stand corrected.

They don't advocate leaving the EU completely though.

 

[fatbadger]

They don't advocate leaving the EU completely though.

Granted - although if they got their way, the EU would be unrecognisable! It certainly wouldn't amount to union, they are utterly opposed to the Euro, and they would reinsert the constitutional guarantee regarding the right of members to go their own way on policies whilst maintaining the co-operative principle of confederation. That makes total sense to me. Neither isolationist nor centralising. Spot on.

 

[looney]

Except greens are load of googly eyed nutters who blame America for everything and would wreck economies.

Water Melons.
Green on the outside red in the centre.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Water Melons.
Green on the outside red in the centre.

Superb. Though I would imagine a Water Melon has more chance of being seen at Westminster.

 

[alan partridge]

Superb. Though I would imagine a Water Melon has more chance of being since at Westminster.

eh?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Sorry, meant 'seen at westminster'. Bugger. The joke is now on me.