Brighton Breezy
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If you called ALL Aricans that then yes it would be a racial stereotype and very broad generalisation. However, I think Straw was criticising the scally types who are holding this country back.
Who is getting your vote in Euro Elections?
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Richie Morris said:
That wasn't a very nice thing to call Blair and Mr A. King !
Brighton Breezy
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I would call Mr Blair a good Prime Minister.
Cue abuse.
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Mr C
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Nah, no abuse - you're just wrongRichie Morris said:
aftershavedave
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liberal party for me.
never voted anything but labour all my life but my views on europe far better align with the libs and i'm disgusted with blair's pro-bush toadying...
never voted anything but labour all my life but my views on europe far better align with the libs and i'm disgusted with blair's pro-bush toadying...
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I will vote Green for Euro elections. Climate change is a serious issue, as is the corruption in the EU. We all have to live on this planet and is is being fennaxed (I love that word!) to hell. The Greens are a useful pressure group who will never have enough seats to be in control. But they can have enough to encourage positive change.
I would never vote for them in a national contaxt, but for the areas that the EU currently has control, I feel they offer a refreshing alternative the the major parties.
Seeing the people on here trying to justify voting for UKIP saddens me a little.
I would never vote for them in a national contaxt, but for the areas that the EU currently has control, I feel they offer a refreshing alternative the the major parties.
Seeing the people on here trying to justify voting for UKIP saddens me a little.
Soton Seagull said:Seeing the people on here trying to justify voting for UKIP saddens me a little.
That's because you have a misunderstanding of what the UKIP stand for. You've swallowed what left wing politcal supporters and papers say about the UKIP hook line and sinker.
Dandyman
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The following is taken from the web archive of anti-fascist magazine "Searchlight" and referes to the 2001 General Election.
Former racists, antisemites and Holocaust deniers are among the 401 candidates listed by the UK Independence Party for the forthcoming general election. It is yet more proof that the party has lurched to the right since a series of damaging internal splits caused the resignation of several hundred activists last year.
Launching the campaign, party leader Nigel Farage announced that the UKIP would win one million votes. “We are not pretending for a moment it is going to be easy, but we do have a chance in some of these seats.”
His attempts to bring the anti-EU party into the political mainstream will be severely undermined by the revelation that several of its candidates have extremist pasts, some of which continue to this day:
Alastair Harper (Dunfermline West). Once a leading light in the nazi Northern League founded by Roger Pearson in 1958 who today funds and promotes racial eugenics. Northern League events in Brighton attracted former Nazi SS officers and British nazis, and it was also linked to the mentor of Dr Mengele, the Nazi race doctor. Harper, a former Scottish school teacher, was editor of Northern World, a Nordicist and anti-semitic journal. In 1990, Harper was photographed by Searchlight attending the Iona conference, a far right gathering organised by the former NF organiser Michael Walker. He has also been chair of the local Conservative Association.
Andrew Moffatt (Beaconsfield). A former National Front member, he once posed with a young woman for a party advertising leaflet. In September 1980 he was discharged from the Coldstream Guards without explanation. His case was enthusiastically taken up by the late George Kennedy Young, leader of Tory Action and a fanatical antisemite, and David Irving, the Holocaust denier. His connection to Irving continues to this day. He remains a close personal friend of the infamous former NF organiser, Martin Webster.
Aidan Rankin (Richmond, Yorkshire). Rankin, who co-wrote the UKIP manifesto, has been associated with the far-right Third Way, a breakaway from the NF formed by Patrick Harrington in 1989. Rankin has contributed articles and letters to the Third Way website. One letter declares, “I am impressed by the range and quality of the Third Way manifesto, but the section on green politics left me slightly disappointed”. In contradiction to his new role as a UKIP candidate, he adds, “Unlike the green movement, the Referendum Party and its poor relation the UKIP do not represent the future… I see electoral reform, not ‘Europe’, as the most important constitutional issue we shall face in the next five years”. Despite such sentiments, he is now one of UKIP’s key functionaries.
Graham Webster-Gardiner (Epson & Ewell). A former leading figure in the right-wing and anti-immigrant Monday Club during the 1970s, he was a hardline anti-communist, regularly attending functions at the South Vietnamese and Cambodian embassies. Today Webster-Gardiner is the South East organiser of UKIP and a member of its executive committee.
Mike Nattrass (Sutton Coldfield). The National Chairman of UKIP and its West Midlands regional organiser, Nattrass is a former member of the New Britain Party, (see opposite page).
The selection of these candidates comes soon after the UKIP was forced to expel one of its executive members for denying the Holocaust. Alistair McConnachie, its Scottish organiser and representative on the UKIP executive, explained his views to party members. “I don’t accept that gas chambers were used to execute Jews for the simple fact there is no direct physical evidence to show that such gas chambers ever existed”.
A party disciplinary hearing had earlier expelled McConnachie for five years but this was later overturned by the national executive, which commuted his sentence to a one-year suspension from the executive.
The UKIP only acted after another executive member resigned from the party and went to the press. If the UKIP leadership had bothered to take a proper look at one of its leading members, they would have found a hardline antisemite and racist.
A trained physiotherapist with a former practice in Edinburgh, McConnachie has flirted with a number of extremist groups and personalities. He once worked for the Social Credit Secretariat in Scotland, a group that preaches the economic theories of Major C H Douglas.
While the SCS denies being racist or antisemitic, its publication, The Social Crediter, has recommended the antisemitic Bloomfield Books, run by Donald Martin, and lists Anthony Cooney among its contributors. For many years Cooney was the editor of The Liverpool Newsletter, a publication that combined racist and antisemitic articles with social credit policies.
In 1998, McConnachie monitored the Bilderberg conference in Scotland in the company of Jim Tucker, a reporter from the US antisemitic paper, Spotlight. Also present were Donald Martin and Matthew J. Browning of the British Israelites World Federation (BIWF).
The same year, McConnachie fell out with the SCS leader, Alan Armstrong, and was soon sent packing. It was only then that the SCS realised that McConnachie had been subscribing to racist and revisionist material through its offices.
He soon found work, and later a directorship, with James Gibb Stewart, formerly of Western Goals and now running a publishing outfit in Glasgow. McConnachie took over the desk of Cliff Morrison, a Third Way supporter.
McConnachie is also closely linked to Iain McGregor, editor of the Social Credit International and the far-right newsletter, the Scottish Patriot. He is also been involved in the BIWF. It was McGregor who introduced McConnachie to the SCS.
Despite his expulsion, senior UKIP figures seem to have no difficulty working with McConnachie. Several weeks after he was shown the door, the UKIP’s research director, Richard North, shared a platform with McConnachie at a “Stop the Slaughter” rally in Roxburghshire.
The UKIP has swung to the right in the past two years, largely because its more moderate supporters who were attracted to the party during John Major’s leadership have returned to the Conservative Party under Hague. The UKIP now represents a hard right grouping, attracting disaffected Tory voters in the same way the BNP is gaining from working class Labour voters.
Former racists, antisemites and Holocaust deniers are among the 401 candidates listed by the UK Independence Party for the forthcoming general election. It is yet more proof that the party has lurched to the right since a series of damaging internal splits caused the resignation of several hundred activists last year.
Launching the campaign, party leader Nigel Farage announced that the UKIP would win one million votes. “We are not pretending for a moment it is going to be easy, but we do have a chance in some of these seats.”
His attempts to bring the anti-EU party into the political mainstream will be severely undermined by the revelation that several of its candidates have extremist pasts, some of which continue to this day:
Alastair Harper (Dunfermline West). Once a leading light in the nazi Northern League founded by Roger Pearson in 1958 who today funds and promotes racial eugenics. Northern League events in Brighton attracted former Nazi SS officers and British nazis, and it was also linked to the mentor of Dr Mengele, the Nazi race doctor. Harper, a former Scottish school teacher, was editor of Northern World, a Nordicist and anti-semitic journal. In 1990, Harper was photographed by Searchlight attending the Iona conference, a far right gathering organised by the former NF organiser Michael Walker. He has also been chair of the local Conservative Association.
Andrew Moffatt (Beaconsfield). A former National Front member, he once posed with a young woman for a party advertising leaflet. In September 1980 he was discharged from the Coldstream Guards without explanation. His case was enthusiastically taken up by the late George Kennedy Young, leader of Tory Action and a fanatical antisemite, and David Irving, the Holocaust denier. His connection to Irving continues to this day. He remains a close personal friend of the infamous former NF organiser, Martin Webster.
Aidan Rankin (Richmond, Yorkshire). Rankin, who co-wrote the UKIP manifesto, has been associated with the far-right Third Way, a breakaway from the NF formed by Patrick Harrington in 1989. Rankin has contributed articles and letters to the Third Way website. One letter declares, “I am impressed by the range and quality of the Third Way manifesto, but the section on green politics left me slightly disappointed”. In contradiction to his new role as a UKIP candidate, he adds, “Unlike the green movement, the Referendum Party and its poor relation the UKIP do not represent the future… I see electoral reform, not ‘Europe’, as the most important constitutional issue we shall face in the next five years”. Despite such sentiments, he is now one of UKIP’s key functionaries.
Graham Webster-Gardiner (Epson & Ewell). A former leading figure in the right-wing and anti-immigrant Monday Club during the 1970s, he was a hardline anti-communist, regularly attending functions at the South Vietnamese and Cambodian embassies. Today Webster-Gardiner is the South East organiser of UKIP and a member of its executive committee.
Mike Nattrass (Sutton Coldfield). The National Chairman of UKIP and its West Midlands regional organiser, Nattrass is a former member of the New Britain Party, (see opposite page).
The selection of these candidates comes soon after the UKIP was forced to expel one of its executive members for denying the Holocaust. Alistair McConnachie, its Scottish organiser and representative on the UKIP executive, explained his views to party members. “I don’t accept that gas chambers were used to execute Jews for the simple fact there is no direct physical evidence to show that such gas chambers ever existed”.
A party disciplinary hearing had earlier expelled McConnachie for five years but this was later overturned by the national executive, which commuted his sentence to a one-year suspension from the executive.
The UKIP only acted after another executive member resigned from the party and went to the press. If the UKIP leadership had bothered to take a proper look at one of its leading members, they would have found a hardline antisemite and racist.
A trained physiotherapist with a former practice in Edinburgh, McConnachie has flirted with a number of extremist groups and personalities. He once worked for the Social Credit Secretariat in Scotland, a group that preaches the economic theories of Major C H Douglas.
While the SCS denies being racist or antisemitic, its publication, The Social Crediter, has recommended the antisemitic Bloomfield Books, run by Donald Martin, and lists Anthony Cooney among its contributors. For many years Cooney was the editor of The Liverpool Newsletter, a publication that combined racist and antisemitic articles with social credit policies.
In 1998, McConnachie monitored the Bilderberg conference in Scotland in the company of Jim Tucker, a reporter from the US antisemitic paper, Spotlight. Also present were Donald Martin and Matthew J. Browning of the British Israelites World Federation (BIWF).
The same year, McConnachie fell out with the SCS leader, Alan Armstrong, and was soon sent packing. It was only then that the SCS realised that McConnachie had been subscribing to racist and revisionist material through its offices.
He soon found work, and later a directorship, with James Gibb Stewart, formerly of Western Goals and now running a publishing outfit in Glasgow. McConnachie took over the desk of Cliff Morrison, a Third Way supporter.
McConnachie is also closely linked to Iain McGregor, editor of the Social Credit International and the far-right newsletter, the Scottish Patriot. He is also been involved in the BIWF. It was McGregor who introduced McConnachie to the SCS.
Despite his expulsion, senior UKIP figures seem to have no difficulty working with McConnachie. Several weeks after he was shown the door, the UKIP’s research director, Richard North, shared a platform with McConnachie at a “Stop the Slaughter” rally in Roxburghshire.
The UKIP has swung to the right in the past two years, largely because its more moderate supporters who were attracted to the party during John Major’s leadership have returned to the Conservative Party under Hague. The UKIP now represents a hard right grouping, attracting disaffected Tory voters in the same way the BNP is gaining from working class Labour voters.
Brighton Breezy
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I think many people who vote UKIP do so because they are anti EU, I do not think they share the views of the people above but are perhaps unaware that these people have the histories they do.
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Richie Morris said:
i'd go a little further than "histories" it's hardly like they've promised not to nick sweets from the corner shop. this bunch are by and large thoroughly unpleasant.
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Brighton Breezy
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I agree and think those blokes are scum. I was just saying I doubt any of the people on here that vote UKIP, i.e. Strike, are anti semitic or aware of these peoples pasts.
Dandyman
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Richie Morris said:
I agree with you Richie. I just would like those who are attracted to the UKIP to realise that while there no doubt "ordinary" right-wing Tories in it (although I personally find them repellent enough) there are also those with a far more extreme agenda.
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Easier said then done Dandyman. I agree with you but many blindly dismiss this as lefty propoganda.
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Moving on to another topic ...disgruntled h blocker said:
The UK's oil and gas reserves are only "quite low" if you are referring to the usable reserves.
Because of the costs of extracting oil and gas from the North Sea, some reserves are currently uneconomic. But ...
When the world price of oil rises, it becomes economic to drill for these hidden reserves. And the nation benefits.
Vote for the party that will encourage oil prices to rise the most!
You know it makes sense. We'll all be rich.
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Brighton Breezy
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Vote New Labour and oil prises will rise, superb thinking Lord B I was doing a bad job of winning round voters there.
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At least the BNP are 'forward' about their views, unlike other parties, as clearly discussed by Dandyman.
Think I'll be voting for the Liberal Democrats. They are pro-Europe and pro-€, without trying to sound favourable to the public who are unsure about our place in Europe
Think I'll be voting for the Liberal Democrats. They are pro-Europe and pro-€, without trying to sound favourable to the public who are unsure about our place in Europe
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I would vote for the English Democrats, but they aren't standing any candidates where I live. I'll probably therefore vote Liberal Democrat.
I would consider voting UKIP, as a protest vote as I think the Euro elections are rather pointless and are virtually a waste of time, but I don't agree with the UKIP policies. But sometimes it's fun to vote a certain way just to annoy people.
I would consider voting UKIP, as a protest vote as I think the Euro elections are rather pointless and are virtually a waste of time, but I don't agree with the UKIP policies. But sometimes it's fun to vote a certain way just to annoy people.
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Dandyman said:
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sullyupthewing we were talking about the political history of some of the UKIP candidates, I think some of these are shown a little further up the page.
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